Thread: Question on my first AR.

Originally Posted by MaW

Thanks MrDrifter, I need it ecat for multigun, i.e. the magazines and can only see stocks I want in ecat as well.

I wont have to put an acat stock on it too often, just for the kids and hopefully not an onerous exercise to do so once a month or so..

Thanks

Doesn't matter if you change the stock, it's still registered as E cat therefore no one else can legally shoot it.

Originally Posted by Jexla

Doesn't matter if you change the stock, it's still registered as E cat therefore no one else can legally shoot it.

Actually that is incorrect.

Having it "registered" as an E cat merely permits you to have it in MSSA configuration. There is no requirement for it to have all or any of the 'bits' that make an MSSA or remain in that configuration.

Once you remove the MSSA features it ceases to be a MSSA.

It will be required to be "de-registered" in order to sell it as an A category firearm.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

Actually that is incorrect.

Having it "registered" as an E cat merely permits you to have it in MSSA configuration. There is no requirement for it to have all or any of the 'bits' that make an MSSA or remain in that configuration.

Once you remove the MSSA features it ceases to be a MSSA.

It will be required to be "de-registered" in order to sell it as an A category firearm.

No matter it's configuration full stop, if it's registered as an E cat firearm no one but the endorsed person can legally shoot it. It's as simple as that.

Like 300CALMAN said, we don't care, it's a stupid law.

Was just making sure you were aware as to not let someone who might care for no good reason know.

Originally Posted by Jexla

Was just making sure you were aware as to not let someone who might care for no good reason know.

Appreciated, we are on the same page.

Also managed to find someone with both an upper and lower aero in stock so I nabbed them. Tick one thing off the list.

Thank!

Originally Posted by Jexla

Like 300CALMAN said, we don't care, it's a stupid law.

A stupid law that Joe Green once told me no one had ever been charged with braking even though I have seen it broken in front of him

Originally Posted by Jexla

No matter it's configuration full stop, if it's registered as an E cat firearm no one but the endorsed person can legally shoot it. It's as simple as that.

There is no such legal thing as a "registered E Cat".

The Arms Act only refers to the transfer or possession of MSSAs, not for the transfer or possession of "registered E Cats".

A MSSA is defined as:

Arms Act 1983
2 Interpretation
military style semi-automatic firearm means a firearm (other than a pistol) that is—
(a) a semi-automatic firearm having 1 or more of the following features:
(i) a folding or telescopic butt:
(ii) a magazine designed to hold 0.22-inch rimfire cartridges that—
(A) is capable of holding more than 15 cartridges; or
(B) is detachable, and by its appearance indicates that it is capable of holding more than 15 cartridges:
(iii) a magazine (other than one designed to hold 0.22-inch rimfire cartridges) that—
(A) is capable of holding more than 7 cartridges; or
(B) is detachable, and by its appearance indicates that it is capable of holding more than 10 cartridges:
(iv) bayonet lugs:
(v) a flash suppressor:
(vi) a component of a kind defined or described by an order under section 74A as a pistol grip for the purposes of this definition; or
(b) a semi-automatic firearm of a make and model declared by an order under section 74A to be a military style semi-automatic firearm for the purposes of this Act; or
(c) a semi-automatic firearm of a description declared by an order under section 74A to be a military style semi-automatic firearm for the purposes of this Act; or
(d) a semi-automatic firearm that has a feature of a kind defined or described in an order under section 74A as a feature of military style semi-automatic firearms for the purposes of this Act

If the firearm does not possess any of those features, it by definition, is not a MSSA. It is a firearm.

The law no longer requires that firearms or MSSAs remain in that configuration "at all times".

The third flaw is that the definition of ‘sporting configuration’ has been removed. Under the old law, a semi automatic firearm was either a MSSA or in sporting configuration.

These two physical feature configurations were ‘locked in’ by the phrase ‘at all times.’

With the demise of ‘sporting configuration at all times’, a MSSA rifle can now be removed from it’s legal definition by simply taking off the parts that constitute the defined physical features.

Arms Act changes flawed folly - stuff-nation | Stuff.co.nz

So where is the restriction on using a 'registered E Cat" under the supervision of a licence holder in the Arms Act?

Support your claim/interpretation.