Thread: Ruger 10/22 - Tricks, tips and modifications

Originally Posted by Ultimitsu

Marlin owners will tell you that M60 and 795 are just as simple, effective, practical, but much more accurate ex-factory, and are cheaper. Several already expressed such view in this thread. I never shot a Marlin so I take no position in that debate.

And there are , by all accounts, more marlins out there than Rugers so no disagreement from me.

You are bang on about the Annie semi auto too from what I have seen and heard.

The whole point is the 10/22 is designed and built to be a practical inexpensive carbine. It is not designed or spec'd to be a target rifle. Thus if someone wants a target grade rifle then this is not really what they are looking at.I have not handled a MagRes or a Kidd version so cannot say they are (or are not) that good, but those that I know who have one seem very happy with them and certainly seem to get good accuracy.

The only down side to these, that I have seen, is when people see a MR or Kidd at the range, (or a 10/22 that has had extensive upgrading to be really accurate) they recognize the 10/22 and most assume that all the 10/22s shoot this well because they have seen one do so then they go buy one and low and behold, it shoots like a 10/22 and they are disappointed.....

Originally Posted by timattalon

The whole point is the 10/22 is designed and built to be a practical inexpensive carbine. It is not designed or spec'd to be a target rifle. Thus if someone wants a target grade rifle then this is not really what they are looking at.
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What tends to happen, and I have seen it happen quite a few times, is that ruger 10/22 often is the first gun for new licence holders. Either because their friends told them "10/22 is cool" or salesman recommended it. Either way, many start their shooting journey with a 10/22. They did not expect a competition class shooter but they also did not expect below par accuracy. Soon they found accuracy to be wanting, they start looking around for ways to improve. In fact, within this sub-forum you can see people asking about trigger, group, mods, etc. Isn't it ironic that more marlins are sold yet fewer marlinians are asking these questions?

Originally Posted by timattalon

I have not handled a MagRes or a Kidd version so cannot say they are (or are not) that good, but those that I know who have one seem very happy with them and certainly seem to get good accuracy.

If you live in Auckland, you can go to waitakere sporting rifle club in swanson. at the least 3 to 4 shooters shoot Kidd. Including the NZ retailer Darin. I am sure they will be happy to demonstrate Kidd's accuracy to you. For enthusiast class target shooters in indoor 25 metre range, Kidd's performance is good as Anschutz's - ever so slight lesser accuracy but more shooter consistency.

MagRes is harder to come across. Guncity and Serious Shooters sold a few of them several years back, I have seen no other ones on the market. About one appear on trademe every 18 month or so (and usually not cheap). A friend of mine owns one. Overall quality is very close to Kidd, but the trigger is standard design and medium weight.

Originally Posted by Ultimitsu

If you live in Auckland, you can go to waitakere sporting rifle club in swanson. at the least 3 to 4 shooters shoot Kidd. Including the NZ retailer Darin. I am sure they will be happy to demonstrate Kidd's accuracy to you. For enthusiast class target shooters in indoor 25 metre range, Kidd's performance is good as Anschutz's - ever so slight lesser accuracy but more shooter consistency.

Darin is a real GC too. I've used his rifle, and it is scary nice. Like a laser. I was doing groups of 5 in a breath, it was unreal fun. If I was to get into that sort of shooting proper-like, I'd just save myself all the running around and throw a roll of cash at him and end up better off than fucking around trying to make one from a factory offering. You'd literally end up binning pretty much the whole rifle, so why bother?

Soon they found accuracy to be wanting, they start looking around for ways to improve. In fact, within this sub-forum you can see people asking about trigger, group, mods, etc. Isn't it ironic that more marlins are sold yet fewer marlinians are asking these questions?

The marlin semi (takes various model names of course) has outsold the 10/22 twice over worldwide, it's just here that it's the other way around for some reason

Originally Posted by Tommy

The marlin semi (takes various model names of course) has outsold the 10/22 twice over worldwide, it's just here that it's the other way around for some reason

You're dead right about that.

Originally Posted by Ultimitsu

Isn't it ironic that more marlins are sold yet fewer marlinians are asking these questions?

Ummmm. No it is not ironic. I think you have completely missed the point. Other than putting a lighter trigger return spring in, or maybe an after market spring kit for about $50 then you don't need to. The Marlin does what it should straight from the factory. It doesn't have a massive array of after market parts available because it doesn't need them to do what it should. Unlike the 10/22, unless you send it to a craftsman like @gundoc.

Originally Posted by gadgetman

Ummmm. No it is not ironic. I think you have completely missed the point. Other than putting a lighter trigger return spring in, or maybe an after market spring kit for about $50 then you don't need to. The Marlin does what it should straight from the factory. It doesn't have a massive array of after market parts available because it doesn't need them to do what it should. Unlike the 10/22, unless you send it to a craftsman like @gundoc.

Errr...I think you missed my point . What you wrote is exactly my point. Factory Marlins are better than factory Rugers, hence the need for Ruger owners to do mids and upgrades. My post was directed at timattalon's post about Ruger's appeal being "(it is) an outstandingly practical design. Simple, effective and relatively easy to manufacture". I was saying Marlins are just as good in these aspects plus being cheaper and more accurate - hence my comment about "the irony".