Thread: Non toxic subgauge ammo

I reload for 12 and 20 and am keen to try some Bismith. Will have to track some down.

Gunworks have Bismuth for sale I have some on the way to try for a couple of old Belgium Browning A5 20ga I have.

Originally Posted by Perazzimx8

Gunworks have Bismuth for sale I have some on the way to try for a couple of old Belgium Browning A5 20ga I have.

Don't mean to jack the main thought of the post.
I've been a fan of the classic browning in 20g! wanted to get hold of one at one point.
But ended up with the benelli M1 which is okay now that I have it! because of the 3" factor.
Post a picture of it or email me with a picture please. Year's ago there was one in 16g on tm, one of the should of.
KH

Originally Posted by Kiwi-Hunter

Don't mean to jack the main thought of the post.
I've been a fan of the classic browning in 20g! wanted to get hold of one at one point.
But ended up with the benelli M1 which is okay now that I have it! because of the 3" factor.
Post a picture of it or email me with a picture please. Year's ago there was one in 16g on tm, one of the should of.
KH

I have one that’s a light 20 so 2 3/4 and a Magnum 20 in 3”

Originally Posted by Perazzimx8

Gunworks have Bismuth for sale I have some on the way to try for a couple of old Belgium Browning A5 20ga I have.

I have seen a couple over the years but they were 2 1/2 inch chambers so have let them go.

Originally Posted by Got-ya

I have seen a couple over the years but they were 2 1/2 inch chambers so have let them go.

has falcon come up with that bismuth load yet??

We do have some bismuth coming our way quite soon. For reloading it can be ordered via Gunworks in Christchurch or any other reseller of reloading gear you could approach depending where you are. Looks like it’s being sold for $55.00 a kilo at retail which is a pretty fair price considering what it costs. It’s just one size #4 at this stage we will have available and it will be tin plated bismuth shot. We are considering a 12 gauge bismuth waterfowl cartridge of around 34-36 grams a bit like our SP 36 lead load equivalent but things are still being worked on so nothing finalised right at the moment. It has a different density to lead of course so we have to start with the basics and learn a bit about it. It will be more expensive but that’s the nature of the cost of bismuth which I think everyone already knows. It will be a Falcon brand cartridge loaded by us in Timaru. No idea at the moment when the first production will be run but things might happen quite quickly before opening day

Originally Posted by gsp follower

has falcon come up with that bismuth load yet??

Will be good when they do. Hopefully it’s a bit less than the Eley I got from H&F at $99. Would be nice to shoot my Grandfather’s old A5 a bit more. At $55 a kg for the shot I don’t think loading anything more than 7/8oz 20ga would be viable from what I can work out.

Originally Posted by Perazzimx8

Will be good when they do. Hopefully it’s a bit less than the Eley I got from H&F at $99. Would be nice to shoot my Grandfather’s old A5 a bit more. At $55 a kg for the shot I don’t think loading anything more than 7/8oz 20ga would be viable from what I can work out.

Yeah for the 32g 20g load I use thats $1.77 a shot before I even add the other stuff. However thinking about it with the density difference that 32g load by pellet count will be 27.4g which is still $1.52 a shot which is better, but still too much.

Originally Posted by Got-ya

Yeah for the 32g 20g load I use thats $1.77 a shot before I even add the other stuff. However thinking about it with the density difference that 32g load by pellet count will be 27.4g which is still $1.52 a shot which is better, but still too much.

Out of interest what sort of Hull, Wad, powder are you using. My 20ga lead loads have all been AA hulls and claybuster wads but I’m not sure as most of the recipes I find for Bismuth are using a Remington wad.

Originally Posted by Perazzimx8

Will be good when they do. Hopefully it’s a bit less than the Eley I got from H&F at $99. Would be nice to shoot my Grandfather’s old A5 a bit more. At $55 a kg for the shot I don’t think loading anything more than 7/8oz 20ga would be viable from what I can work out.

i hear plated bismuth is the go now
as it overcomes bismuths tendency to fragment

Originally Posted by gsp follower

i hear plated bismuth is the go now
as it overcomes bismuths tendency to fragment

It would be nice to get some of the Boss Shotshells that are available in the states.