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I hope you used your vote against it.
I did and will accept no whingeing whatsoever about 1080 from people who didn't use their vote appropriately.
I saw the article about that on three news tonight. What can a long time opponent say except "we bloody told them so"
Where were the fish being killed?
IMMEDIATE RELEASE 26th September, 2014
ANGLERS ADVISED NOT TO EAT TROUT IN 1080 AREAS
With the fishing season opening in just a few days (1 October 2014), anglers are being warned by the Department of Conservation(DOC) not to eat trout from pristine backcountry waters and their downstream catchments, where the department is conducting 1080 poisoning operations.
In response to publicly expressed concerns by the New Zealand Federation of Freshwater Anglers, and supported by Fish & Game New Zealand, DOC commissioned research by the independent Cawthron Research Institute on the risks of mice carrying sub-lethal levels of 1080, and which are routinely consumed by trout, becoming a food safety risk for humans.
Chief executive of Fish & Game New Zealand, Bryce Johnson says “The results indicate that, 1080 levels in trout flesh were significantly in excess of recognised Food Safety guidelines(FSA) for safe human health and DOC is now having to advise anglers not to eat trout caught in 1080 poisoned catchments, until advised otherwise.”
“Anglers fishing back country waters, including overseas anglers who come here because of the trout fishery’s international reputation, have always been able to assume that it is totally safe to catch a trout and eat it. Sadly, this turns that over and is not a good look for New Zealand’s 100% pure environmental brand.”
The massive poisoning operation being conducted by DOC, is in response to the anticipated ‘mouse plague’ caused by the cyclic production of beech seeds in native forests, for which this year is a high point.
“While we understand why DoC is doing this, the findings from this recent research has added a very significant and concerning new dimension to the 1080 debate”, said Mr Johnson.
Fish & Game also believe the ramifications of this extend well beyond just the poison sites, and Mr Johnson added he was pleased DOC has investigated the anglers concerns, accepted the research findings and has taken the lead in managing the consequences.
Mr Johnson says that while he realises the timing, so close to the season opening is unfortunate, his organisation has been left with no choice, but to support this advisory from DoC, and adds that “further research, to more closely simulate the natural, wild environment is needed, to provide a more accurate picture of the risks.”
“Fish and game is not saying don’t go fishing in the back country, just don’t eat the fish.”
ENDS
FURTHER INFORMATION
Bryce Johnson chief executive Fish & Game NZ Mob: 021397897 bjohnson@fishandgame.org.nz
Andrew Currie South Island communications advisor Mob: 021 646245 acurrie@fishandgame.org.nz
So how long before we start to regularly see the effects of this in humans, It is already happening and will only get worse as the causes are identified.
Nzs agent orange and formaldehyde.
Where does it say that trout are dying?
It doesn't, it says don't eat them.
Of course everyone in the country who may eat a trout will be fully aware of this because all outdoors people follow current affairs relentlessly :wtfsmilie:
So we can all be confident nobody will eat a trout(or eel or koura) by accident that has dangerous levels of 1080 with all the high level publicity :huh:
Care to publish this data Cam? As much as I like you mate there is WAY too much emotion and far to little FACT. I was on the other side of the fence too but this shit has been dumped across NZ for a little while aye. Yet to see a negative, unless you count the rhetoric and anguish and I see far too many supposed hunters using 1080 as a selfish excuse for plainly being a shit hunter. We see plenty of the crap up here too and honestly, the hunting gets better every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Even this thread starts off "1080 KILLING FISH" and yet there is not one dead fish? Standard drama queen anti 1080 attitude?
they warn you not to eat deer out of 1080 drop areas too for a period of time, same reason, not exactly some big dramatic mystery or new thing
Women fall ill after 1080 drop
Just one example and they didn't even eat any, of course they were immediately discredited by the powers that be as being in the wrong place but their camera logged gps position.'
This is just what we are hearing now despite the best efforts ( to keep all reporting peachy)of those looking after our(their own) best interests.
Another 20-30 years and mark my words all sorts of public health issues will be traced back to 1080.
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Just wait till an overseas country we export meat and milk to, tests the product and finds traces of 1080.
NZ will be stuffed overnight.
I can find you people who claim to be ill because of alien abductions too
How many trout/salmon/eel/koura fishermen do you think routinely check to see if the catchment has been 1080d? Dunno if you have kids but say you had some young boys going camping recon they would try and catch a feed and eat it?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Can you find medical practitioners who say they are ill from alien abductions ?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
I can find politician's who claim 1080 poison is no more harmful than a bag of salt and vinegar chips too!
Do you believe politicians too?Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
The paradox is that the same is likely to happen if we don’t control TB vectors with 1080. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cambo
I never got sick. I'm pretty sure I got tampered with tho😨Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
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And the link to 1080 is? A couple of chicks got crook and there was a 1080 drop? Give them the Noble Prize in medical discoveries cause they are onto something there.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Fuck my cook gets crook all the time too or is 1080 the only possible disease in the world? I'm not pro the stuff nor am I anti.
I am definitely anti dumb-shit though and I have yet to see an argument that conclusively supports an anti 1080 stance.
There's other ways to control the pests besides using 1080.
TB control is just a small part of the drops. Most is for "conservation" apparently. Even if the drops kill most of what DoC are trying to conserve.
"DoC - putting the con in conservation" :)
Politely, bollocks all round, you may now return to the echo chamber
Youv’e been tainted by Marty Foote :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cambo
What a steaming pile.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambo
Please enlighten us with these cost effective measures you espouse to control TB, reduce vegetation browse and add by-kill of bird predators?
The AHB and councils must love DOC carrying the can on this one.
I'm afraid all that article does is back up kiwijames point about misinformation, rhetoric and emotion from the antis.
Where is the clinical FACT that the ladies liver function is directly related to exposure to pesticide.
As far as the fish go,
Water breaks down and neutralises 1080 very rapidly, a very desirable quality as far as pesticides go. Fish generally have a high tolerance to 1080. It would be interesting to know how quickly fish can metabolise a sub lethal dose as compared to mammals.
However, we all know 1080 can persist at toxic levels in the carcasses of poisoned mammals given the right conditions (cold & dry) for weeks maybe even months.
You are dangerously wrong on an important fact Motere, and echoing the usual misinformation and spin from the poisoning vested interests.
1080 can last decades in cold clean water and retain its lethality over that long period of time. 1080 does not break down is clean water. Bacterial action , provided water is warm and the correct (and rare in NZ) bacteria are present, might break down 1080 over time.
The two ladies who are ill are being subjected to intensive medical scrutiny at present, after initially having being subjected to ridicule by the poisoners as to their story and their location. It is proven they were telling the truth and the poisoners tried hard to cover their own arses; and at the expense of the reputations and well being of the victims.
Bear in mind, that foreign tourists or children can easily enter areas past warning signs even were drops are well posted and are always a risk factor. If the government persists in lethally poisoning massive areas of publicly accessible land and water then there is obviously an on-going risk that somebody is going to become a victim and it is beyond time when this needs to be recognised.
The DoC warning about potential toxicity of trout is responsible and accurate. It is the unfortunate heading to this thread which is misleading.
In the meantime, the pristine streams and lands of NZ are being polluted and poisoned by nothing less than an extreme and unrealistic tactic; namely the broadcasting of one of the most deadly poisons known to man.
Cheers--
Whose spinning now.
I'm with Woody on this one.
Moutere probably works for DOC internet defense force.
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Originally Posted by gimp
I guess its a good thing birds like wood pidgoen,rifleman and fantail are off the menu then.............. god knows whats in them
so what about eels eating carcasses of the 1080 killed possums - imagine those would be even worse...
Just seen this thread now. 1080 is used to kill everything,birds,deer,insects,rodents,opossums what ever touches the crap and who ever feeds on the critter that has consumed the shit.:sick:
I don't give a fuck about any one saying come up with other options. The truth is half this country that DOC (Destroy Our Country) have poisoned is accessable by foot and there many youngsters and older people that are willing to put in the hard yards to eradicate the pests and make a bit of coin while doing so.
The beech tree seed drop is there so called friggen reason as more rodents will be feeding on the seeds but TROUT eat fuckin mice and rats and they grow big,,,fuckn wankers Doc.................. end of my opinion as I love fishing and feeding my family:(
Who said anything about being "cost effective"? The cheapest option is not always the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
I plainly said there are other ways to control pests. I'm sure you'd know of a few methods yourself. ;)
Never known it to be weeks mate. Months yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moutere
God forgive!
It depends on the natural decay rate doesn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
Of course.
I've seen a dog killed 6 - 8 months after a drop. That dog is well decayed now.
This is aimless.
Cool story bro, I'm not for or against, maybe sympathetic/understanding towards the need. There's generally a lack of objective discussion, particularly towards its mode of action.Quote:
Originally Posted by tararua
How long do you think the poison lasts in deer that dont eat enough for a lethal dose ?
I rung the animal health board a few months back about when is a safe time to go hunting in the hokonuis he told me he was back hunting himself which was only around 2 or 3 weeks after the drop he wasnt even worried about the pellets that were still on the forest floor !!...he also told me they had no reports of deer being poisoned but after talking to a few cocky found this to be a lie.
Latest rounds of 1080 drops aren't for possums or TB control. That's another can of worms.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
The latest drops in the news are for rat/mice control due to the beach forest mast this year. Hence the warnings about trout being poisoned from eating poisoned mice etc.
And yes, other methods of possum control did work. It's just not viable cost wise now due to extent of manual labour required. And the fact that most NZ'ers can't be bothered to get off their asses and do something. Much easier to rain green shit on everything.
If only there was a tally on the pests.... oh wait there was. And it was very lucrative....and it was taken away due to greenies complaining about animal cruelty etc.
Because 1080 is a such a nice quick, safe, better, humane way to kill something - yeah right
I think you meant bounty. Its a flawed premise and counter intuitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambo
I remember when we had bounties. It was the easy country and bush edges that were mainly shot. And as soon as the populations got low, they were farmed (goats & possums in my experience). Commercial rabbit hunters still farm and manage the populations where ever they are able.
Cam, I admire your tenacity :) Youv’e got three threads going on this, over 2 forums.