Thread: 9mm and rimfire bolt action

Grip and stock should be fine under the new law on a non prohibited firearm.

Originally Posted by ChrisF

Its a bolt action , the mag is fine , whats maybe not is the AR15 pistol grip & stock ,

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Grip and stock should be fine under the new law on a non prohibited firearm.

Pistol grip and stock are easy to sort if you are making them. Just make them so they do not fit AR stuff and you are fine. IE will only fit this rifle and no others. (perhaps narrow down the fitting oints so AR stuff needs a spacer to fit, but you grip would be too narrow to fir AR and it would no longer be restricted due to not fitting restricted firearms therefore could not be a restricted part)

Magazine is only allowed to hold 10 rounds or less. You would have to check to see if the law means must not be capable of holding a magazine of more than 10 or if it means you can only have up to 10 round mags in your possession. Not sure I would ask AO yet as they are like us and still working out these things. Could be worth a chat to a lawyer like Nicholas Taylor......Especially if you are going to make these.

Again, you could modify the mag so that your 10 round mag fits but larger std ones dont. Take a notch out of the top of the mag (at the back perhaps and fit a matching bump to the inside of the mag well and only that mag will fit and a normal pistol mag will not.....Or go cheap arse on it and make it single shot or internal mag as suggested above.

Looks awesome.

I'll have a bit of buyback money soon to splash on things that go bang (or pfffft), I'm keen for one.

Guys, been asking this around. Quite weird, naive and stupid question, but I will ask it. How much would you guys expect to pay for one of these rifles? I mean, a fair price.
Rifles will have 1x10 twist Vulcan barrels, 6061 Alu stock (620 grams), custom action, front bolt and back bolt, nitriding, lapped lugs, trued from factory (not that it matters for hunting
but I want to assure straightness, concentricity, parallelism of mating/not mating parts), 1911 mag and mag release/catch, adjustable firing pin fall (cocking on close), mag housing, AR stocks/grip (if Govt don't screw things up, hopefully) and ou choose trigger.
Let me know your thoughts.
Cheers
MFG

Originally Posted by xring

Guys, been asking this around. Quite weird, naive and stupid question, but I will ask it. How much would you guys expect to pay for one of these rifles? I mean, a fair price.
Rifles will have 1x10 twist Vulcan barrels, 6061 Alu stock (620 grams), custom action, front bolt and back bolt, nitriding, lapped lugs, trued from factory (not that it matters for hunting
but I want to assure straightness, concentricity, parallelism of mating/not mating parts), 1911 mag and mag release/catch, adjustable firing pin fall (cocking on close), mag housing, AR stocks/grip (if Govt don't screw things up, hopefully) and ou choose trigger.
Let me know your thoughts.
Cheers
MFG

Are Vulcan making barrels again?

Without stock and grip, if you got change from $2k, you'd be giggling with glee.

If you have to change your stock type, I wonder if a 3d printed stock set would be a good option to keep design and production costs down and fast turn-around on a new part. Was handling some fabbed up camera parts made out of 3d printed carbon fiber (maybe fiberglass??) and they were a good mix of cheap, lightweight, good surface finish and stupidly strong (short ice lolly sized piece couldn't be broken by hand).

Depending on how fast/detailed you want it made, and your cost point you can leave it hollow inside for storage or honeycomb it for additional strength... might not need it though. The parts I handled had 3d printed 2mm thread printed into blind holes, so it's capable of very fine finish if you need it... should be able to change the thread diameter for the butt stock and have the threads printed in the stock itself, or just press and pin a threaded steel head into the end. Given the material I would think 3d printed thread at the diameter your gun uses would be fine as long as it wasn't crossthreaded/overtightened/taken on and off too frequently. It's certainly tougher material than the polymer most gun stocks are made out of these days. Given the cost of injection molding for a new stock design/limited marke, it might be a good option?

2K seems reasonable. Should be fine with stock and grip being that it is on a non-prohibited firearm.

$2500-3000

You have to get some recognition this is a domestically built rifle. People need to get behind these things. We need "buy New Zealand made" and we need a domestic firearms industry, with export, if we are to hang on to our licenses long term. This is the one project, of all the stuff people have talked about, which gives us the most protection.

There will be some who are hard nosed and who will balk at that price for what is essentially a plinking rifle first and foremost, but lets be realistic. Good plinking rifles with abundant cheap ammo like 9mm are getting very hard to come by. Something comfy that has adjustable stock like ARs did is also hard to come by for a big guy. You don't need to sell one to everyone.

If I get buyback money it will be going on anything NZ made first.

I would give your early purchasers some recognition they are supporters of the project.

What’s the all up weight and length

I based my guesstimate thus: A basic platform to build off being the ideal (everyone will have a different idea about stock, grip, fore-end, suppressor or not), as it will allow it to be more mass produced rather than each one being bespoke (other than barrel length). So, a barreled action on a basic chassis? Or just the barreled action and sort the chassis oneself?

Originally Posted by Tommy

I based my guesstimate thus: A basic platform to build off being the ideal (everyone will have a different idea about stock, grip, fore-end, suppressor or not), as it will allow it to be more mass produced rather than each one being bespoke (other than barrel length). So, a barreled action on a basic chassis? Or just the barreled action and sort the chassis oneself?

I would make them compatible with AR forends, stocks, handles. Lots of that kicking about.

Originally Posted by Cordite

I would make them compatible with AR forends, stocks, handles. Lots of that kicking about.

currently i wouldn't put ANY AR part on it!

It’s a single stack 1911 mag, 9-10 rounds of 9mm or 7-8 rounds 45acp. The mag is a non issue

Originally Posted by MSL

It’s a single stack 1911 mag, 9-10 rounds of 9mm or 7-8 rounds 45acp. The mag is a non issue

I wouldnt run this past an AO,they all seem to have their own take on everything (I would if they all sang the same song). As above, use that Lawyer if you have to. It shouldnt be an issue, because almost any 10-shot-mag gun,could take a now- illegal ,larger-capacity mag, the point being; a 10-shot is maximum-capacity, as per the new law, and that particular mag is already used in rifles,as well as pistols, so Not pistol-specific.