Could have been a lot worse.
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Could have been a lot worse.
Courageous volunteers and passers-by intervene but... | Stuff.co.nz
Yup, good outcome to a scary situation.
Big ups to all the folks in blue out in the rural areas. Doing that kind of work, often on your own, takes a special kind of courage.
So they will start screaming arm the cops again.
"Griffin had gone to arrest a 19-year-old, who was wanted on outstanding warrants, shortly before 6pm on Friday" So why would he go sole on a job like that? (Cause he had a gun so thought he was good....)
Sounds much more like a major procedure change is needed.
If the cop had the gun out and the guy went to attack he could always shoot. I dont think any cop wants to kill another man but it hes outlaw and attacking...
Didn't the stuff article say he was the only cop on shift...? (Again, I'd hate to be the one person on! Scary!)
Only one in the area, Perhaps should have waited for backup?
Hindsight is a great thing huh. I'm sure the man thought he could handle it. The time it look to explain the situation in that interview would be ten fold the time the actual event took place. That's scary though, OC spray not taking effect...that 19yo would have been wild to brush it off and keep attacking. Not a nice thought.
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Toby, its been proven over and over again that if someone is within 7m of a person with a holstered pistol, and rushes them, you do not have enough time to draw and shoot. Think about that for a minute, and match that to the typical style of policing in NZ. I've seen this first hand and trained for it, even against someone who has skills, experience AND is aware that you are about to rush them, you can still get to them with a knife / club ...
Dougie, pepperspray or teargas is no match for methamphetamine :D
That's a good point ebf.
Positive thoughts going out to Griff, and wishes of a speedy recovery.
Let the disection by internet experts begin!!
BTW all my experiances with sole charge cops have been good, it's city ones that have P#$%ed me off.
End of the day we can all coulda shoula woulda till the cows come home and change nothing.
Thing that concerns me is a handgun could have got into criminal hands directly from the police, the opposite of what should happen! and its not the first time!
I dont have the answers, no doubt there will be an investigation of some sort into what went wrong and how to prevent it in the future.
I only hope they get it right!
WIREHUNT you dont know what the hell you are talking about. Police arrest people with Warrants daily when they are found out and about. This is normal procude and there is no back up steps for one man stations to call for other staff. He was not at the offenders address looking for him he was in a public area. City staff have 2 up cars which turn the tide a lot more then 1 up cars.
If you know what the procedures are then you could comment, OSH has nothing to do with it. Police work like this all the time and he used all that he had to stop the people attacking him before he even got to the pistol.
7mmwwsm
Thankyou for a proper view on things, public live in there bubble and have no idea what happens on the street until it happens to them or they see it on the news and arm chair comments are great when they are not the ones doing the job.
Wirehunt in my opinion the NZ Police will have conducted risk analysis of their common tasks / situations in conjunction with serving officers and they will have prepared safe work methods in conjunction with and taking into consideration the field experience of serving officers and they will have inducted and trained their officers in them. I think this because that is what any employer needs to do in order to ensure a safe work place. However, the best training in the world will never completely mitigate the exposure to incident in a role where there are so many variables.
I have to agree, 5 on one shoot one then overrun by other four could be another story.reality is to have more cop's imo
Nothing derogatory in it 7mmwsm, it's a stated fact by the NZ police itself. They are terrible shots as a rule with a high accuracy fail rate. So why would he go in if he felt so unsafe that unless there was a gun on board he might be in trouble.
But if you read the article it states "He had discussed with his supervisor the need to have all his tactical options on him," Lindsay said. So they had talked about it before hand. If they had time to talk about this one thing then they also had time to talk about other options. Maybe one like sit back and wait for backup?... Just a suggestion.
Or to put it another way, workplace health and safety would fine him maybe, his supervisor defiantly plus the company (police) if this was any other workplace incident.
:ORLY: hope you never have to call on the police to help you in rural NZ, coz in your OSH world all the single-cop-on-duty stations would be closed
seriously mate, I think you've gone a bit off the reservation here. you'd fine them, i'd rather give them recognition for doing an extremely difficult and dangerous job, and wish this particular guy a speedy recovery.
I have a few cop mates who i joyride with all the time and doing warrant checks ,for a laugh theyd get me to do the check but there was still three of us at the time.Single cpos are always singled out as is what happens in dannevirke all to often under staffd is what the problem is IMO .handguns will only get you you so far i beleive we need more cops in the rural areas.
Sounds like Bernie is in the know here...not many people use "1up" without knowing what it actually is.... :) I'm obviously biast but thank you NZPolice!!! I love you (seriously I do!)
I certainly hope that the guy makes a full recovery ,tough guy doing a hard job we all need to be great full to these people.They doing their best to keep our communities safe places . I think when we factor Meth; into these situations perhaps a harder line needs to be adopted ,apparently pepper stray isn't doing it.Maybe the side arm should be used in the 1st instance.
I have a cousin was attacked while doing her duty ,now unable to work as a result of the bone in her nose being pushed back into her brain.On permanent medication to keep her functioning with some semblance of normality.
Spot on! At the very least any rural cops should have a dog.
ebf quote "hope you never have to call on the police to help you in rural NZ, coz in your OSH world all the single-cop-on-duty stations would be closed
seriously mate, I think you've gone a bit off the reservation here. you'd fine them, i'd rather give them recognition for doing an extremely difficult and dangerous job, and wish this particular guy a speedy recovery."
Never said it wasn't a dangerous job or difficult. But it is also no where near the most dangerous OR difficult job in NZ. Yet we seem to be working on the usual different standards for different people thing yet again. It's called risk assessment. The rest of us have to abide by it (OR ELSE!!).
This is a "live in" Police job out there. The guy is sole officer, lives there, technically on duty 24 hours. Backup is 45 minutes away in another district as such. Population maybe 600. Knows most people by first name basis. This is like being an outback sheriff but without deputies. Sad to see everyone stood back and just watched, obviously these guys have put some fear into the residents. Places like this sadly dont get backup, just mop up.
Yes Wirehunt you are a long way off.
If OSH had anything to do with it then Police would never be able to do their job, like sending OSH inspectors over with our troops to a warzone.
Have you ever been in a close quarters fight with a person and had your adrenalin pumping then tested your accuracy with a heavy triggered Glock? Pretty harsh to slag off their marksmanship just because others can shoot a 50c piece at 100m at a range.
Do you know how much time goes into training a dog? And when working alone they can become a liability in group situations?
Really looking at the basic facts the officer would have been justified in shooting the people attacking him, but imagine the headlines today. I'm sure there is more to this story than we have been told.
Arm the police with 12g shot toys and return the glocks to the manufacture, if a cop needs to use a firearm it should be deadly force, no wing shots, and with a pump action there is the ability to get more than one, even two at once. P or no P
:wtfsmilie: maca, why don't you stop the next cop you see and have a chat to him/her about the controls they have in place regarding storage of firearms in response cars, and the process they have to follow before getting authorization to use the firearm...
Might be an eye opener for you...
Oh, and ask them what their thoughts are about your 12g idea, their response might make a fun video to upload to YouTube....
Probably all about training and experience
Nah Toby, the public and media crucifies a cop over here if they shoot someone to defend themselves. You see it time and time again.
Not only would the officer have to come to grips with the fact they just killed someone, the media would drag them and their family through the news and papers, calling it "excessive force" and going on about how it wasn't necessary, basically calling for the cops head... without being there.
Screw sending our cops into some of the shit they have to deal with unarmed. It's not like the crims are unarmed.
I think as a nation we need to harden up to criminals and give some real punishment. Assault a cop in he line of duty and get 20 years,if it doesn't work as a deterent well at they would not be causing no harm to others. I glad none of my kids are policemen
Run for PM Maca49. I will shift into your electorate and vote for you.