Thread: Feeling sick after reading this !

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

and how many employees of a large retail chain have access to the "book under the counter" with lists of firearms licence numbers...two seconds to take photo on phone.....

That's pretty insulting implying our staff, who most hold their own FAL, would do that.

Originally Posted by Coop

That's pretty insulting implying our staff, who most hold their own FAL, would do that.

Almost a moot point now that it is digital. But in saying that I agree wholeheartedly with you that 99.9% of staff are perfectly fine and would never dream of doing that and that the security in the store will normally be pretty good now.....but that one person is all it takes and that one person may not even need to be staff member in some of the smaller businesses I saw. Also it would not be out of the possibility for said paperwork to be stolen in a ram raid...digital in that case is more secure.

Originally Posted by timattalon

Almost a moot point now that it is digital. But in saying that I agree wholeheartedly with you that 99.9% of staff are perfectly fine and would never dream of doing that and that the security in the store will normally be pretty good now.....but that one person is all it takes and that one person may not even need to be staff member in some of the smaller businesses I saw. Also it would not be out of the possibility for said paperwork to be stolen in a ram raid...digital in that case is more secure.

Begs the question on how good their IT security is. The average kiwi small/medium business leaves a lot to be desired, though most cannot be blamed as they get someone else in to do it. imho a paper book system would be far more secure than what NZ SMBs can acheive.

AND you will note I HAVE NOT MENTIONED your store by name....seems those who do get banned quick smartly.
and if moderators have an issue with this..I'm more than happy to go on record to them with names and details...will follow that up with police if you really want to push issue...
your call @Coop

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

AND you will note I HAVE NOT MENTIONED your store by name....seems those who do get banned quick smartly.
and if moderators have an issue with this..I'm more than happy to go on record to them with names and details...will follow that up with police if you really want to push issue...
your call @Coop

My call do to what exactly? You're clearly being antagonising but I'm not gonna take the bait. Have fun with that.

Originally Posted by Coop

My call do to what exactly? You're clearly being antagonising but I'm not gonna take the bait. Have fun with that.

Please dont take any offence at this remark as that is not the intention. I think it perfectly reasonable to accept that in certain situations staff, or more likely even owners of businesses could be 'pressured' sufficiently to release details / information from their records. As could Govt employees and anyone with access to data bases

Originally Posted by Coop

My call do to what exactly? You're clearly being antagonising but I'm not gonna take the bait. Have fun with that.

well you seem to take offence and imply Ive taken aim at your store...... oh dear,it couldnt happen.... yeah right.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

Begs the question on how good their IT security is. The average kiwi small/medium business leaves a lot to be desired, though most cannot be blamed as they get someone else in to do it. imho a paper book system would be far more secure than what NZ SMBs can acheive.

@vulcannz NZ SMBs can achieve digital security. To access my digital record they would have to steal the computer which is much heavier than the book and old enough to look like its worthless. Digital does not mean online. I am not sure what the 'not connected to the internet' term is but I believe airgapped might be close. That is not to say other companies do the same. Larger ones are probably interconnected but also have the budget for more expensive / extensive digital security. But SMBs without that budget do not require a great deal of computing power to operate a relatively simple data spreadsheet, though I would suggest laptops are not ideal- even old ones are easily stolen, and two, if they shit themselves it becomes unrecoverable. But the AO was quite adamant that as long as the info is retained and accessible when needed he is happy. (And by accessible- I give him hard copy on paper if he asks...)

Originally Posted by Coop

That's pretty insulting implying our staff, who most hold their own FAL, would do that.

I never stated WHICH large retail store...but if the shoe fits and you feel guilty..well thats your issue then isnt it...
are you 100% confident ALL of the staff in ALL of the franchise stores are above reproach,dont have drug habits or gambling debts??? are you 100% positive none of your franchise owners dont have gang connections??? if you are I have a bridge to sell you.