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    Jakewire I can use all 3 types without forestock.

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    I had my vetting earlier this year, opened the safe, the Auto right next to the U/O all forends on firearms, nothing mentioned to me
    Never heard the like actually.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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    page 12 2017 arms code booklet 3rd and 4th line
    WHEREVER POSSIBLE, STORE AMMUNITION SEPARATELY,AND DISABLE THE FIREARM
    next line reads
    if possible remove the bolt and magazine and lock away seperately from the firearm.
    go down another 4 lines ...break open types can be dismantled.
    pretty plurry black n white I thought...............

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    So we store the Break opens in three different places now
    The ones the trigger group drops out of we can store in 4 different places, What fun.

    Damn, just remembered how easy it was to change to a timney trigger in the last Remington I bought so Maybe...
    Scopes off naturally especially on those rifles with no open sights, ...oh, Hang on......
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    when you park your car in garage do you remove your car keys????
    its not that plurry hard to poke your foreneds in your sock drawer and your bolts in your jocks drawer is it?????

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    Upon inspection, open up ya cabinet empty of all but ya B/E/C cat and say that's all you need to see

    If they want to play that game then fine, let's play that fuckin game
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky Duck View Post
    page 12 2017 arms code booklet 3rd and 4th line
    WHEREVER POSSIBLE, STORE AMMUNITION SEPARATELY,AND DISABLE THE FIREARM
    next line reads
    if possible remove the bolt and magazine and lock away seperately from the firearm.
    go down another 4 lines ...break open types can be dismantled.
    pretty plurry black n white I thought...............
    The 2017 Arms Code booklet has been withdrawn. The NZ Police website currently refers to the 2013 Arms Code book which states:
    The Arms Regulations require these minimum standards
    when storing your firearm:
    • Ammunition must be stored separately or the firearm
    made incapable of firing.
    – If possible, remove the bolt and magazine and lock away
    separately from the firearm.
    – Make sure both the chamber and the magazine are empty.
    – For lever, pump or semi-automatic firearms, you may not
    be able to remove the action. Break-open types can be
    dismantled.
    – Trigger-locking devices are recommended for firearms
    which cannot be taken apart.

    The key is the word "or" in the sentence "Ammunition must be stored separately or the firearm
    made incapable of firing."
    Store your ammo separately and keep your firearm in one piece.
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    yip duckdog it does say that.... and then in th very next line in BOTH booklets it says, to dissable if possible/remove bolt..... its so easy to do and makes it so much harder for baddie to use why wouldnt you do so????
    again do you remove car keys when you park in garage????

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    Quote Originally Posted by 308 View Post
    Upon inspection, open up ya cabinet empty of all but ya B/E/C cat and say that's all you need to see

    If they want to play that game then fine, let's play that fuckin game
    Just leave in a 22, a shotgun of whatever kind and one deer capable rifle.

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    The original question was:
    "Just had my security checked and the inspector told me that break action shotguns must be stored without forends attached. I have never seen nor heard of this through multiple inspections. Is this true?"

    That is not required by the Arms Act and clearly incorrect.

    There are lots of things you can do to improve security however that is a personal decision, not a legal requirement.

    (and living in the country we leave the keys in all our vehicles and I have no idea where the house keys are!)
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    Ok so from my own reading and opinions on here, am I right in saying it isn't in the legislation, anywhere?

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    The police will talk about the ďtest of reasonablenessĒ

    IMHO it is in every gun owners personal interest to secure their weapons and ammunition as secure as is reasonably possible in their physical circumstances.

    The goal being to have a measure of confidence that if a thief/burglar etc attempts to steal said item, itís as difficult as possible.

    We all also want to be regarded as ďcompliantĒ within the FAL application and renewal process.

    My point being that security of property, particularly firearms and ammunition must be seen (and demonstrated) as a whole process; we should not get bogged down in the minutiae of where the forearm part is, or if itís separate; itís is in our own interests to consistently demonstrate that we are always security conscious, and we all want to make the theft or improper use of our firearms as difficult as possible.

    The answer to any superfluous or seemingly pedantic question is to answer and emphasise the positive steps we have taken; donít fall into the trap of answering a narrow question (eg are the fore pieces separate) with a negative answer. It isnít about what we havenít done, itís about what we HAVE done to keep our firearms, ammunition secure.

    End of story.
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    The guy came across as a pedantic non hunting or shooting volunteer who wouldn't understand the grey areas in the wording. He is looking for absolutes, black and whites. So I'll give him one. Is it in the legislation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiB View Post
    We all also want to be regarded as “compliant” within the FAL application and renewal process.
    Yes, there is being "compliant" and then there is also being bullied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky Duck View Post
    when you park your car in garage do you remove your car keys????
    its not that plurry hard to poke your foreneds in your sock drawer and your bolts in your jocks drawer is it?????
    You either have a sock and jock fetish and have large draws, or not many firearms.
    Overkill is still dead.

 

 

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