Thread: Mail order firearm loophole??????????

Originally Posted by Kscott

It was a flaw in the system, not a loophole.

And the flaw is that us Kiwi's are trusting people, so if a piece of paper arrived with a signature that says "I'm a Police Officer" people tend to accept it at face value. Irrespective of the legality of the signature. A minority number of people would take steps to check the details.

Park a van with a flashing yellow light on top in the middle of the street, and wear a high-viz vest and you'll get the same response. As a nation we're very trusting that what we see is what we want to see, and so trust and accept.

How would you go about checking the authenticity of the police sign-off at the bottom of the mail order form????

Originally Posted by top gun

How would you go about checking the authenticity of the police sign-off at the bottom of the mail order form????

Do what others have done, and pick up a telephone.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Do what others have done, and pick up a telephone.

And do you REALLY think that the police would confirm or deny that the police info at the bottom of the form was authentic or not????? Really?????

Originally Posted by top gun

And do you REALLY think that the police would confirm or deny that the police info at the bottom of the form was authentic or not????? Really?????

Yess !!!!! I do !!!! Why ?????? Because other people !!! have posted about it ?!!!!! and I have done so myself !!!!!

Originally Posted by Kscott

Do what others have done, and pick up a telephone.

What if that officer is not on duty? Transfered to night shift? On 4 weeks leave?

Originally Posted by Koshogi

What if that officer is not on duty? Transfered to night shift? On 4 weeks leave?

Nope he'd be the AO and he'd be sitting on his arse waiting for you to call! Because that's what he likes, in fact so much that he decided he's now the ONLY one that can really sign it off, it's a shambles and I think the police a a little frighten to open up as it's probably them that haven't been performing up to the mark! They have done some shoddy work on pistol sales, five years after I sold two of mine, I got a please explain where they were cause they were still in my name? I made a couple of phone calls to locate them, phone the AO back to be told he had sorted them! Yet shoddy bloody AO in another police station hadn't don't his job! It's ok cause it's only a pistol I know but if I didn't know who they were sold to it could have been a shit fight for me!

Originally Posted by Kscott

Do what others have done, and pick up a telephone.

Yes I have done that I sold a rifle to a chap in Christchurch he emailed a scan of his license I rang Wellington and checked with the FO there his License was valid I still got him to send the correct paper work
sped things up knowing he was all kosher,
The thing with Gun City was there was no official Police stamp on the form, all the mail order forms I have seen have a stamp with the officers number and signature, one I picked up at Auckland central was a photocopy of my License the Police stamp badge number and signature because they had runout of the forms,
I have never downloaded a form, that I think is the stupidest idea ever no wonder Heather DP-A got away with it I have always picked my forms up from the station some times the officer on duty gives you a blank look when you ask for one.

Originally Posted by shooternz

...they had runout of the forms...

Did they not posess that marvel of modern technology known as a printer?

Originally Posted by shooternz

I have never downloaded a form, that I think is the stupidest idea ever no wonder Heather DP-A got away with it I have always picked my forms up from the station some times the officer on duty gives you a blank look when you ask for one.

Plus the GC downloaded form has a valid FAL number pre-printed on it. Quite a few shops do that.