Thread: Police shoot at car after high-speed rampage across Auckland

Keelhauling would be another option... They had so many good ideas years ago

@Rushy the job is yours pal.

I'm keen to see public stocks used to name and shame, then the public can anonymously vote for one of a few fitting punishments.

The punishment selection will be made of one suggestion from each of the following:
1. The victim
2. The victims family
2. The court
3. The Police
4. The offender
5. The offender's family
6. Some soft cock that likes cuddles
7. The Prime Minister
8.
9.
10.

The winning vote will be given one week to allow for the soft cock to demand a re count of the votes, and for my Police to kick in their door and tenderise them.
After the one weeks kicking grace is up, the punishment voted for will happen.
Sure hope no mean old grumpy bastards are enrolled to vote.....

Just an observation, why didn't the dog ute ram the car? If you watch the video red car spins and ute stops to block instead of giving it a face plant.

It got nothing to do with letting anyone get away “with it” but police shooting in a built up area. I don’t want to ever be hit by friendly fire as it still hurts. I notice they did him for driving offences. Seems that’s all the police do these days.

Originally Posted by 2post

It got nothing to do with letting anyone get away “with it” but police shooting in a built up area. I don’t want to ever be hit by friendly fire as it still hurts. I notice they did him for driving offences. Seems that’s all the police do these days.

I wondered about that, and former cop flatmate reckoned it was a holding charge usually. Ie, they upgrade to more serious stuff later, as it takes care to do it all correctly and not cock it up, resulting in Joe Scumbag going free. Holding on a serious charge but not THE most serious stuff he's up for, this buys them time to get it right/collect evidence/statements/all that carry on.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Fixed.

I watched a presentation on "less-lethal munitions" once, and the emphasis was that less lethal was the idea. You can die from all sorts of things, and those things still have a good chance of killing you, and also of maiming the fuck out of you too.

Originally Posted by Tommy

I wondered about that, and former cop flatmate reckoned it was a holding charge usually. Ie, they upgrade to more serious stuff later, as it takes care to do it all correctly and not cock it up, resulting in Joe Scumbag going free. Holding on a serious charge but not THE most serious stuff he's up for, this buys them time to get it right/collect evidence/statements/all that carry on.



I watched a presentation on "less-lethal munitions" once, and the emphasis was that less lethal was the idea. You can die from all sorts of things, and those things still have a good chance of killing you, and also of maiming the fuck out of you too.

Exactly.... dead men dont appeal convictions etc.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Exactly.... dead men dont appeal convictions etc.

Works for me

have a mate who was ex paras in the belfast era -he reckoned a penny slipped into the base of a rubber baton round was very effective -specially if richocetted off the cobbles -ya should see em dance !
aside from that when NZ Defence took delivery of their latest combat shotties im sure i read they also were contemplating purchasing a supply of bean bag sub lethal rounds,which if literature is to be believed are very effective swhen social workers and do gooders fail!
It said nought about undertakers frustration at missing out on another customer!

Originally Posted by kotuku

have a mate who was ex paras in the belfast era -he reckoned a penny slipped into the base of a rubber baton round was very effective -specially if richocetted off the cobbles -ya should see em dance !
aside from that when NZ Defence took delivery of their latest combat shotties im sure i read they also were contemplating purchasing a supply of bean bag sub lethal rounds,which if literature is to be believed are very effective swhen social workers and do gooders fail!
It said nought about undertakers frustration at missing out on another customer!

Far be it that I would even contemplate doing this...but it has been found that a D size battery fits really well into a 40mm stopper gun cartridge. Chuck the rubber bullet out and hey, presto...

shotguns have been used in law enforcement since time began..... a double barrel shotgun pointed at you is VERY effective at screwing with your head as it LOOKS like two big bulgy eyes..so it has personatlity/phyco type effect.....modern thinking with pump actions is the "noise factor" of racking a round (increased by hollywood,count how many times these get pumped without fired lol) sort of tells bad guy/scum sucking moron the game is up.
as for how effective they are....give me a load of #BBs any day of the week and at sub 50 yards I would back myself to be very effective. yes #00 buck is piss poor beyond 30 yards UNLESS you have done your homework and patterned and repatterned and played with choks etc etc etc to find what works in that particular gun #7 buck is another good option.....they tell me at close range (read indoors) a load of #9s is as good as anything else with stuff all chance of a stray pellet going where it shouldnt.
ram the cars off the road using railway iron fitted cop cars ,works for boy racers too,one airbags have gone off they could even just drive away....save paperwork. we live in a PC gone mad world and the cops have thier hands tied,smart arsed little pricks whos daddy has loads of $$$$$ and lawyers have stuffed the justice system and the bra burning cardigan wearers have dumbed the rest down to level that just doesnt work anymore..shootem all and let God sort it out.

I don't see the point of shooting at a car with a 9mm it is not going to disable it unless the driver is head shot then we have an out of control 2 tonne missile
the odds of one of our Police officers making a head shot on a moving target is worse than wining LOTTO I hope the cowboy that took the shot was been
reprimanded they are not trained to shoot at moving targets the dog incident proved that even if they did train it is still a stupid thing to do in a built area

Originally Posted by shooternz

I don't see the point of shooting at a car with a 9mm it is not going to disable it unless the driver is head shot then we have an out of control 2 tonne missile
the odds of one of our Police officers making a head shot on a moving target is worse than wining LOTTO I hope the cowboy that took the shot was been
reprimanded they are not trained to shoot at moving targets the dog incident proved that even if they did train it is still a stupid thing to do in a built area

I know of one instance when a 14 year old driver on the run got put in a wheelchair by .30ACP FMJ courtesy of a police Walther PP. Direct hit on his spine somewhere below neck. I doubt the shooter felt lucky, but like you say, not a certain shot to take, and safe firing zone is literally out of the window.

Anyway, the two ton missile we are talking about here was arguably already out control. As the song goes, sometimes it's hard to be a copman.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

shotguns have been used in law enforcement since time began.....



..shootem all and let God sort it out.

Beating people over the head with wooden clubs until they loose consciousness or die has been used in law enforcement since time began too.

I'd like to think we have moved on from that in this country.

As to "shootem all and let God sort it out.". Why don't you petition your local MP to get the rules changed to allow police to do that, if that's what you believe?

Let us know how you get on.

Scatterguns are used in urban situations (with suitable ammo) as there is a lot less danger of a stray round going through a wall into another room. Also, I would imagine they look a lot more intimidating than a Glock when attempting to get an offender to stand down.

Originally Posted by Growlybear

Scatterguns are used in urban situations (with suitable ammo) as there is a lot less danger of a stray round going through a wall into another room. Also, I would imagine they look a lot more intimidating than a Glock when attempting to get an offender to stand down.

As for scattering, SGs are not that inaccurate at close range, don't scatter super much. Due to their length they are more practically accurate than a pistol, especially in poor light where you can't see your sights.

Was going to add something about the intimidating sound effects of the shotgun, but can't remember what it was. It's racking me.