Thread: Semi Autos - Possible Interesting Development

Restrict working space around the safe if you can. Hide the safe if you can. Don't hang out with scum. Have insurance.


These 4 things will help immensely and I'd add

Don't talk guns with your unknown colleagues
Don't put "I like guns" stickers on your truck
Load them into said truck inside the garage if you can

I'm not naturally a secret squirrel kind of guy but it is better to be discreet IMO

Originally Posted by 308

Restrict working space around the safe if you can. Hide the safe if you can. Don't hang out with scum. Have insurance.


These 4 things will help immensely and I'd add

Don't talk guns with your unknown colleagues
Don't put "I like guns" stickers on your truck
Load them into said truck inside the garage if you can

I'm not naturally a secret squirrel kind of guy but it is better to be discreet IMO

And be careful what details you show on here as anyone can look.

Originally Posted by Rushy

The premises that cannot be broken into and the physical and electronic security system that cannot be overcome have both yet to be designed. I spent several years proving to people that the thousands of dollars they had spent on their security could be easily overcome. I recall one particularly wealthy individual spitting the dummy big time when I demonstrated that I could get into the middle of his highly secure fourth floor Remuera apartment and remove his most prized possession right under the eyes of his really expensive monitored security system. Ahh those were the days. Sorry for the thread deviation, I am just making a point.

Point agreed.

People too often lull themselves into a false sense of security by relying on only one aspect of security alone (e.g. the alarm system or the tough safe). The safe for example, should be the absolute last layer of security and the criminal should have expended a lot of time, effort and preferably have drawn attention to themselves in the process of even reaching it, let alone attempting to access the contents.

Totally agree, unfortunately security is about making yourself a less desirable/easy target than the next chump on the street. From what I understand there are a lot of opportunist theft where they will scope out places to do. Apparently the inorganic rubbish collections were a great opportunity to scope out houses. If you are specifically targeted by someone who knows what they are doing your best security efforts will be tested.

Originally Posted by tetawa

And be careful what details you show on here as anyone can look.

Dead right, I personally don't own a single firearm so there, leave me alone. I have a giggle at other forums where the posters list what they own. Pissing contest or shopping list?
The other giveaway is posting links on here to TradeMe auto sales, (sorry to those that post here). Doesn't require much sleuthing to... well most will get the idea.

Originally Posted by Ryan

Point agreed.

People too often lull themselves into a false sense of security by relying on only one aspect of security alone (e.g. the alarm system or the tough safe). The safe for example, should be the absolute last layer of security and the criminal should have expended a lot of time, effort and preferably have drawn attention to themselves in the process of even reaching it, let alone attempting to access the contents.

Good security is about defence in depth. Deter, Delay, Detect and Detain. Make the offenders think twice and not want to take the risk (think warning signs, fences, locks, bars, lighting etc), then make it as hard as fuck for them to get in (again bars, locks, hinge bolts, dogs etc) , then catch them in the act (electronic alarm / CCTV detection, alarm monitoring etc) and then make it as hard as fuck for them to get out ( deadlocks etc). Take an holistic approach to your security and the criminals will find somewhere easier to go.

hows about signs"-how fast can you run-the dog does 5.38secs for 100m-slightly more with your balls in his jaws".
should you meet my wife whilst youre burgling -she'll smile and say "where do i send your flowers?" too late to run chump-you're well fucked:

Im a piss poor shot -wife&daughters aint..fuck off and have a happy day!

Originally Posted by 308

Restrict working space around the safe if you can. Hide the safe if you can. Don't hang out with scum. Have insurance.


These 4 things will help immensely and I'd add

Don't talk guns with your unknown colleagues
Don't put "I like guns" stickers on your truck
Load them into said truck inside the garage if you can

I'm not naturally a secret squirrel kind of guy but it is better to be discreet IMO

Plus don't be member of a Facebook sell/exchange group!

Originally Posted by kotuku

hows about signs"-how fast can you run-the dog does 5.38secs for 100m-slightly more with your balls in his jaws".
should you meet my wife whilst youre burgling -she'll smile and say "where do i send your flowers?" too late to run chump-you're well fucked:

Im a piss poor shot -wife&daughters aint..fuck off and have a happy day!

All have very good deterrent value Kotuku.

Originally Posted by kotuku

hows about signs"-how fast can you run-the dog does 5.38secs for 100m-slightly more with your balls in his jaws".
should you meet my wife whilst youre burgling -she'll smile and say "where do i send your flowers?" too late to run chump-you're well fucked:

Im a piss poor shot -wife&daughters aint..fuck off and have a happy day!

I wish the courts would give us some back up, wouldn't take many 10 - 15 years for the penny to drop, wonder if any of the political parties would have a hard nose policy on illegal firearm possession for next year.

Originally Posted by tetawa

I wish the courts would give us some back up, wouldn't take many 10 - 15 years for the penny to drop, wonder if any of the political parties would have a hard nose policy on illegal firearm possession for next year.

Not able to go political here @tetawa (difficult at times, firearms are such a political theme). There is one who would but for most of them it's much easier to just blame us for the problem.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Not able to go political here @tetawa (difficult at times, firearms are such a political theme). There is one who would but for most of them it's much easier to just blame us for the problem.

Sorry, just slipped out, pd or home detention.

Originally Posted by tetawa

I wish the courts would give us some back up, wouldn't take many 10 - 15 years for the penny to drop, wonder if any of the political parties would have a hard nose policy on illegal firearm possession for next year.

Murder is still illegal, has a heavy sentencing structure and it's not a deterrent because murder still happens.

Unless there's a terrible, obscene tragedy due to stolen firearms, mandatory long sentences for illegal possession and/or use of firearms just realistically isn't going to happen. In as much as folks wanting to be able string up murderers at the nearest lamp post, also won't happen.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Good security is about defence in depth. Deter, Delay, Detect and Detain. Make the offenders think twice and not want to take the risk (think warning signs, fences, locks, bars, lighting etc), then make it as hard as fuck for them to get in (again bars, locks, hinge bolts, dogs etc) , then catch them in the act (electronic alarm / CCTV detection, alarm monitoring etc) and then make it as hard as fuck for them to get out ( deadlocks etc). Take an holistic approach to your security and the criminals will find somewhere easier to go.

And even then, as bitter experience has taught me, one's security can still be defeated.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Murder is still illegal, has a heavy sentencing structure and it's not a deterrent because murder still happens.

Thats a pretty illogical statement - by saying its not a deterrent you're effectively claiming that legalising murder would make no difference to the murder rate.