Thread: Semi Autos - Possible Interesting Development

Not saying I agree with this at all because I believe there is a hidden agenda if it comes to pass.
But say it does pass, it would create a heap of E cat applications when they struggle with what they have on their plate now.
As Ryan said how will they even start to enforce this. Cost to them in time alone would be untenable imo.
Same old bullshit tho. Knee-jerk reaction that puts out and costs law abiding people.



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Im new to all of this, can someone tell me who or what FCAF is?

Being cynical it does look like the police are trying to push a firearm register, if this comes to pass I would not be surprised if eventually everything becomes E cat. It would be nice if they could look at useful avenues of reducing gun crime and firearm incidents, there is plenty of scope to require more secure A cat storage, increase penalties for firearm offenses (ie possession is automatically considered intent etc), more rigorous license testing/training (maybe even similar to the car license process).

Then there is the question that needs answering, which is where do the criminal organizations actually get their weapons from. It would also be interesting to see why they want to target MSSAs, just from watching the news it seems they are very rarely if ever used in any of the firearm incidents, most seem to be old shotguns and .22s

Originally Posted by Chilli_Dog

...It would also be interesting to see why they want to target MSSAs...

Because politicians and bureaucrats watch hollywood movies and think they look scary?

Originally Posted by Chilli_Dog

Im new to all of this, can someone tell me who or what FCAF is?

Being cynical it does look like the police are trying to push a firearm register, if this comes to pass I would not be surprised if eventually everything becomes E cat. It would be nice if they could look at useful avenues of reducing gun crime and firearm incidents, there is plenty of scope to require more secure A cat storage, increase penalties for firearm offenses (ie possession is automatically considered intent etc), more rigorous license testing/training (maybe even similar to the car license process).

Then there is the question that needs answering, which is where do the criminal organizations actually get their weapons from. It would also be interesting to see why they want to target MSSAs, just from watching the news it seems they are very rarely if ever used in any of the firearm incidents, most seem to be old shotguns and .22s

Firearms council advisory forum. It is a group comprised of industry members and representatives of shooting groups such as COLFO, NZSRA etc. They meet to discuss firearms policy issues with Police.

I do not think they are going for a register in total.
They do want to know where all the semis are.

I also think it is a round about way to ensure every firearm is stored in at least an E cat suitable safe. They don't stop theft in every scenario but they may reduce it.

They are still not tackling the issue they claimed they would and only forcing the compliant to even more restrictions and cost. Crims have no such issues😆
I love this country but some of our decision makers are seriously stupid and lack any common sense.



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you would like to think (wishful) that if this happened the E cat regulations would be watered down significantly to justify the huge increase in new applicants. So basically semis on E but it's just like a A but with a better safe and a register. Their end game has to be to reduce work load on themselves but improve the ability to restrict criminals from getting guns

Originally Posted by Vapour

Their end game has to be to reduce work load on themselves but improve the ability to restrict criminals from getting guns

A registry is a poor way to get there that's for sure.

So am I right to guess that cause it has been suggested, then it is going to happen. They have also.mentioned a buy back and ban of certain types of rifles. But that never happened.

Maybe we should wait for more info before we jump on the bandwagon.

By all means be prepared, but for the right thing, not on a "maybe it will happen whim"

Hmm might be a good time to stock up on E cat safes

Easy enough way too get a gun registry up and running too.

Cheers
Pete

Originally Posted by P38

Easy enough way too get a gun registry up and running too.

Cheers
Pete

Odd thing is police don't want that, they had it running till '83 and then gave up as it was too much work. I don't really see how making anybody with a 10/22 need an E-Cat endorsement is going to be less work for them or solve the problem of crims getting their hands on guns but then again if they take this track it's obviously going to be a blatant push to just simply get people to hand in their firearms. Now if the Police actually had the funding to tackle the actual problem at source then it would be a different story but a budget freeze for 8 years will have that affect. I can see why they are tempted to say "screw it, let's just get rid of them all so we don't have to bother with the problem", not that I agree with that approach at all obviously.

It would turn into a nightmare for those tasked to administer it. Whether the policy makers care is another thing.

Originally Posted by Beavis

It would turn into a nightmare for those tasked to administer it. Whether the policy makers care is another thing.

Plods snowed under with all the vetting from the Vulnerable Children Act. Anyone who's job has the remotest chance of them having to go into a school or pre-school has to be vetted. We're meant to get vetted for some work we're doing at the University but plod done 1/2 the applications then refused to do the rest. I don't think Plod's bosses have much contact with reality. I think the average cop does wonders with the bullshit they put up with

Originally Posted by Steve123

I don't think Plod's bosses have much contact with reality. I think the average cop does wonders with the bullshit they put up with

Bingo

This is nothing more than a bureaucratic space filler i.e its intention is to make a report whatever look like it has been "fully researched"
MMP will render this a "not bloody likely",because of the backlash from not only Firearms users ,but their Wives/Girlfriends/Mothers etc .