Thread: TV3 & Guncity mistake

For your first posting mate you picked a doozie thread. You are not trying to draw us out are u?

Nope definitely not. Wouldn't dream of provoking anyone (except people who try to denigrate us law abiding firearm owners)
I have been watching this subject since day one & have been in communication with some of the people involved and I know that one + one = two which makes them all guilty of fraudulently forging a police officer's name etc & the illegal use of the Arms Office stamp.

I'm in the trade ( 20 years ) & I know that there were/are NO loopholes in the mail order system to close.!!

I think everyone on this forum wants to see the perpetrators get their collective beans!!! If the police don't do their legal duty then the Tipple lawyer probably will ( I hope??) & from past incidents that is the most likely scenario.
Keep watching this space!!!!

Note: yesterdays NZ Herald had a pretty fair write up of the current state of affairs on this subject.( 3rd Dec page A15 )

Did the fraudulent document have the Arms Office stamp on it?

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Did the fraudulent document have the Arms Office stamp on it?

No it didn't, but this was never a legal requirement.

Also, went and got a mail order form signed today for some ammo, the form has now changed, I won't go over all the changes but the most odd part about it is they ask you what type of firearm you will be using the ammo in.... What the fuck....

Haven't seen anyone talk about this here yet, might have missed it, but now the police officer before they sign your form look your name up in their system to assure you're still fit to hold a FAL.
As if I had somehow not had my licence taken off me after being convicted of a crime where I should have lost it, I'd go and try get a mail order form? That'll catch lots of people out, not.
Then after this cops check the officer told me he now sends it to the firearms head office for more checks.

They really went a mile with this without any legislation change didn't they?

Originally Posted by Jexla

No it didn't, but this was never a legal requirement.

Also, went and got a mail order form signed today for some ammo, the form has now changed, I won't go over all the changes but the most odd part about it is they ask you what type of firearm you will be using the ammo in.... What the fuck....

Haven't seen anyone talk about this here yet, might have missed it, but now the police officer before they sign your form look your name up in their system to assure you're still fit to hold a FAL.
As if I had somehow not had my licence taken off me after being convicted of a crime where I should have lost it, I'd go and try get a mail order form? That'll catch lots of people out, not.
Then after this cops check the officer told me he now sends it to the firearms head office for more checks.

They really went a mile with this without any legislation change didn't they?

Just tell bullshit, what rifle, I fire .22 thru my 12 gauge

Originally Posted by Jexla

No it didn't, but this was never a legal requirement.

Also, went and got a mail order form signed today for some ammo, the form has now changed, I won't go over all the changes but the most odd part about it is they ask you what type of firearm you will be using the ammo in.... What the fuck....

Haven't seen anyone talk about this here yet, might have missed it, but now the police officer before they sign your form look your name up in their system to assure you're still fit to hold a FAL.
As if I had somehow not had my licence taken off me after being convicted of a crime where I should have lost it, I'd go and try get a mail order form? That'll catch lots of people out, not.
Then after this cops check the officer told me he now sends it to the firearms head office for more checks.

They really went a mile with this without any legislation change didn't they?

I'd tell them through my gun....
If they then ask what gun I would say the one I use with this ammo..
If they still ask I'd then ask them to show me the legislation that states where I need to name this firearm.
If they can then point that out I'd then tell em..

Originally Posted by Sideshow

I'd tell them through my gun....
If they then ask what gun I would say the one I use with this ammo..
If they still ask I'd then ask them to show me the legislation that states where I need to name this firearm.
If they can then point that out I'd then tell em..

Pretty much, go order some rounds and tell me how that goes.

On second thought in the legislation it says the POL whatever form needs to be filled out. They've just changed the form....

Originally Posted by Jexla

No it didn't, but this was never a legal requirement.

Also, went and got a mail order form signed today for some ammo, the form has now changed, I won't go over all the changes but the most odd part about it is they ask you what type of firearm you will be using the ammo in.... What the fuck....

Haven't seen anyone talk about this here yet, might have missed it, but now the police officer before they sign your form look your name up in their system to assure you're still fit to hold a FAL.
As if I had somehow not had my licence taken off me after being convicted of a crime where I should have lost it, I'd go and try get a mail order form? That'll catch lots of people out, not.
Then after this cops check the officer told me he now sends it to the firearms head office for more checks.

They really went a mile with this without any legislation change didn't they?

Are you able to tell us how you know that the form that GC received didn't have the Police " Arms Office" stamp on it????? Without naming names!!!

Originally Posted by top gun

Are you able to tell us how you know that the form that GC received didn't have the Police " Arms Office" stamp on it????? Without naming names!!!

And earlier in the thread.

http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...52/#post407467

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Did the fraudulent document have the Arms Office stamp on it?

It should have?? & if it didn't then it should have raised alarm bells. I'll try to find out from my sources.

Originally Posted by top gun

It should have?? & if it didn't then it should have raised alarm bells. I'll try to find out from my sources.

Some stations did and some didn't. That was a cause of confusion, there's no standard way they did it. Some insisted on serial numbers, calibers, every single detail of the firearm or ammo(which they weren't really entitled to do), some wanted the sellers FAL number and address.. And some just looked at your FAL and signed and dated it without even looking at the rest, because that's all it is supposed to be: To check you actually hold a license on the day, and are in a suitable state of mind, period.