No it's not. Ask any pistol shooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
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No it's not. Ask any pistol shooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
No, I'm just saying that with all the weird and wonderful wildcats we have trying to explain to a fellow shooter what we have is hard enough, let alone someone on a phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
The serial number is your way of demonstrating that you've done your part.
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So in the case of two rifles that by chance happen to have the same serial number, ho do you propose to distinguish between them? Make model serial and caliber are the accepted identification types we regularly use, everything else is an 'accessory' basically. If the registry can't get that info right, it's a fail before it begins. Even in the case of switch barrel rifles, there's a massive problem in that what happens if the barrel the thing is wearing at inspection isn't the one it wore when it was registered?Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Have a look at the website what your suggesting above is covered there.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
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The chance of this thing ever being perfect is zilch. So focussing and hand wringing on the most unlikely things that could happen is totally futile.
To be useful this thread should be focussed on helping applicants through the most likely things that could happen rather than diverting people up a drain pipe.
My experience is that with some patience and tolerance its not difficult to comply.
No it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Great, good for you if you've had a good experience. Mine, not so much. The issue is the wishful thinking by office people does not translate to what you experience from the people that arrive to do whatever at the physical end, and the disconnect between the two. Any info that doesn't match or is not right is drama, pure and simple. When it's nothing to do with you as you've done everything correctly but someone else has cocked up, is not much help when you are wearing the attitude problem from someone that should know better and be performing in a more professional manner - but has chosen not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
There's definitely information on there answering the scenario you posted above I had a look see before postingQuote:
Originally Posted by No.3
I definitely don't have all the answers. Registration certainly wasn't easy for me, I'm just trying to post advice that might help someone out
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Actually, Tahr I wouldn't say having the incorrect cartridge chambering recorded and being asked to explain when someone comes to inspect is going to be an unlikely thing to happen, it will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Talking to a number of previous E cat holders and pistol shooters the number of them that have had a "please explain" from the inspector when things didn't match was par for the course and several said that if they hadn't kept copies of everything for their records the outcome wouldn't have been the way it was.
If the database can't have the "correct" details entered when they are given over the phone how are you as the owner going to be able to prove you provided the correct details, the police attitude has always been "we are right you are wrong"
I would rather know this is happening so I can make an informed decision about when I comply and hope these irregularities in the database are fixed before I have to comply.
Yeah, the info isn't an explanation as such though - for example, the switch barrel explanation is register the caliber of the barrel fitted at the time of registration... It's a bit of a stretch though if you have a single barrel firearm with a rifle and a shotgun barrel and the thing is wearing the opposite handed barrel at the time of an inspection. "It's a rifle but it's registered as a shotgun - how do you explain this!" is not the discussion I want to be having. Practically we know you just swap the barrels over and hey presto it's correct, but for me this is just shades of the A-cat/E-cat argument with a 7-round vs a higher capacity mag - academic until it comes time to explain it to Mr or Mrs no-ears and bad day...Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
well if dickheads on an A cat didnt keep putting hi capacity magazines in the plurry rifle...and certain retailers hadnt kept selling the two together with a wink wink wink attitude we wouldnt be having this discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
how many folks run a different set of tyres n rims on WOF DAY??? enough that it is an issue... and its no different.
how many folks have 2-3-6 trailers and only one registration /numberplate and wof and simply switch them around depending on what they want to use on the day??? I know of 3 folks who have done so for years.
Well thats not very fit and proper then is it :P
Different sets of rims and tyres aren't really an issue as you don't end up having to list your tyre brand on the rego form. More likely to be an issue is the chipping and modifying of engines/exhausts to really step up power output and then tweaking suspension etc right up to and past the cert requirements. I dunno about the trailers, most people I know rego the trailer for sod all and forget the WOF! Get pulled up for being out of WOF for the trailer for X number of years and it's like Oh yeah - um. Yeah right mate...Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Lets not mention the diesels with magic odo switches then. Most of the modern gear can't be done without interrupting the ECU as they record distance travelled for all of the service and warranty requirements, so it's immediately obvious whats going on. Bugger hey?
The hi-cap mags was a bit of a hard one, really was there any difference to connecting mags and just flipping them over or the old competition speedloader setups for shotguns or even stripper clips? If you followed the law there was never an issue - even if there were retailers skirting the system (personally never experienced a retailer selling Ecat firearms who had a stock of hicap mags on the floor - most people got their mags privately or via Trademe after buying a legit A-cat firearm and floated around the restriction that way). As soon as the licensing system went to the pack, that's when the issues started and it followed on from there. The issue now isn't the fact you have switch barrel firearms - it's with the attitude that some people who should know better turn up with come interaction time when they appear to have the belief that there is no such thing as "fit and proper" just people they haven't caught yet.
Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Not a great example to be following.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
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Originally Posted by No.3
That appeared to very much the attitude Peter Baird had when we had a meeting with him, didn't full us with confidence when the boss had such a biased view towards/against usQuote:
Originally Posted by Ross Nolan
Having different tyres on me mates boat was a fail for a WOF the other day. 3x 8 ply, got a new tyre and they put on a different ply. Sorry mate they have to match. Figured they were applying the new firearm registration rulesQuote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Peter Baird had the same attitude at the meeting I was at in Dunedin, he intimated all pistol clubs were acting illegally and that when the act comes up for review the police will want to have the 7 days notice removed so they can just walk in and catch everyone doing things illegally, and that also included visiting licensed firearms owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
He had the attitude that everyone is a criminal they just haven't been caught yet.
That's him in oneQuote:
Originally Posted by 19Badger
And the police knew it was happening, but didn’t see it as important. We took it up with an AO in Auckland and COLFO, they didn’t want to stir the pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Registration was going to happen no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
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Yeah that's been a thing for a while - all ratings must match although I was able to get one boat trailer through with a different rating on the front axle to the rear. I think that was because the heavier rating pair were on the front (braked) axle. I dunno, the inspector called it out as not ideal but couldn't actually fail it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
Forced into registering because I bought a new gun. Tried to register the re-barrelled single shot rifle as 45 ACP (which was stamped on the receiver). Not listed as an option in their drop-down menu for calibers, so emailed them asking for it to be added. I even attached photos showing stamping and a 45 ACP headstamp in the breech. They emailed back wanting additional photos, asked me to remove the scope to show additional info that might be under it. I sent more photos and then they cottoned on to what I was asking and said just ring up to register and quote a firearms register number of the unmodified rifle, and they'd change the caliber. When I did, they didn't want to know the number they'd given me, then couldn't find and wouldn't add 45 ACP, and wanted me to call it a 45 COLT. I refused. They changed it to 45 AUTO, and then wanted me to acknowledge the declaration about providing false information etc. All I wanted was for the register to match what was stamped on the receiver. When they told me their arms officer said to change it to 45 COLT, I told them if he thought 45 ACP and 45 COLT were the same, they need a new arms officer.
The firearms I verbally registered back in July (after I bought a rifle and triggered the requirement) still aren't appearing on the website.
I've now sold one I could register. But to be able to edit my registered firearms, I have to go with a printed form to a Police station to prove that my FSA profile (from my RealMe profile used to get a passport) is me.
You couldn't write a comedy on this.
I'm not convinced it's pure incompetence/negligence and more maliciousQuote:
Originally Posted by dogmatix
[QUOTE=schwen;1520290]Forced into registering because I bought a new gun. Tried to register the re-barrelled single shot rifle as 45 ACP (which was stamped on the receiver). Not listed as an option in their drop-down menu for calibers, so emailed them asking for it to be added. I even attached photos showing stamping and a 45 ACP headstamp in the breech. They emailed back wanting additional photos, asked me to remove the scope to show additional info that might be under it. I sent more photos and then they cottoned on to what I was asking and said just ring up to register and quote a firearms register number of the unmodified rifle, and they'd change the caliber. When I did, they didn't want to know the number they'd given me, then couldn't find and wouldn't add 45 ACP, and wanted me to call it a 45 COLT. I refused. They changed it to 45 AUTO, and then wanted me to acknowledge the declaration about providing false information etc. All I wanted was for the register to match what was stamped on the receiver. When they told me their arms officer said to change it to 45 COLT, I told them if he thought 45 ACP and 45 COLT were the same, they need a new arms officer.[/QUOTE]
They are stone cold eedjits
Ok, dumbass questions
1) If I buy a firearm off an unregistered person, do I need to register it as an activating circumstance? (I had thought that I did)
2) If I buy or somehow acquire an unregistered or "grey" gun at some point in the future, whether I am registered or not, how do I bring that gun into the fold, as it were?
My view
1. Yes that is an activating event (for both parties).
2. Add it to your registered firearms.
FYI #1
When purchasing a rifle from someone who has not registered: Technically this is an activating event for them - the seller - but the buyer is not required to record/provide their details to the registry, so they are effectively ignored by the registry and can continue being unregistered if it is their choice to do so, and not the buyers obligation to pursue. I confirmed this recently when purchasing and registering another rifle.
FYI #2
When registering a rifle that was not previously registered: Do not make the mistake of ringing the ‘transfers’ line as I did, the operator will go into a flap because the seller is technically required to notify the registry of the sale, who then contact you (the buyer) to complete the transfer. If you as the buyer initiate the transfer, they will get confused because it will potentially create an additional duplicate entry onto the system, which apparently is a ‘problem’. This scenario is predicated on the assumption that the seller is fulfilling their obligation of activating circumstances. If you believe the seller is not going to do this, just ring the registration line (not transfers) and register the firearm. You don’t have to provide any information of where it came from, or who the seller was.
same spec on same axel is what I believe it is now...I often run my tandem axel trailer with two diferent heights...bro in laws ute was higher so if trailer had same tryes the front would be off ground lol...two different heights fixed the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
[QUOTE=308;1520523]Mine was the very opposite and the lady was easily able to add in my wildcat rounds into the register as well as my custom actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by schwen
I've been considering the "FYI#2" point, and the potential implications of it. If this is correct, then potentially the entire registration database is a lame duck. What you are suggesting is the same as what someone else has mentioned - that the same firearm could end up being erroneously registered to two or more 'tickets' due to no automated crosschecking function and failures in the transfer methodology in the database.Quote:
Originally Posted by -BW-
I keep my nephews firearms here because he cannot have them at his house. When he thought he was doing the right thing by registering his 30-06 which I had already registered to me I recieved a phone call the next day from the authority asking for clarification. So somehow they did pick it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Thank you, interesting to knowQuote:
Originally Posted by -BW-
I was curious as to how they were going to smooth the path for bringing unregistered guns in
They'd be mad not to allow people to register guns, But to be honest I expected more red tape than what you described
I was surprised that the FSA aren't pressuring - or even asking - buyers to provide the details of the seller that they purchased the firearm from. Maybe its done this way with the intent of encouraging more registration, and potentially to get firearms they may have been held unlawfully by unlicensed individuals, into the system. A sort of amnesty I suppose.
What was mentioned to me (by the operator that got themselves into a fuss) was that if duplicate entries are entered into the system, they would work out which one was correct and delete one, or something like that I think. But it was hard to tell with that particular operator as they were in a bit of a tizz, and had the phone manner of a 9 year old with stage fright performing in the school play. I ended up hanging up on them and calling the registration line.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
riddle me this then...
for lets pretend sake...you are storing 3-4 firearms for a friend...or friend of friend...as many of us do... you register them like good wee FAL holder we all are,then fall out with said person.... possesion is nine tenths of the law...and you have the firearm registered to your name..... be plurry hard to get it back off you.....
I can see this becoming an issue in the near future.
I've spoken with someone who used to be "verry high up" in COLFO who said they'd spoken to the Police around this issue multiple times right up until the events in March. The Police apparently didn't think it was a priority.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
A lot of people raised it no just Colfo. What I heard it being explained as, was that the cost involved in sorting it would have most likely cooked the entire budget and the thought of rocking the boat wasn't appealing. Until it became something that couldn't be avoided any longer and we know how that went...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
Exactly the result we got, started for us with all the 30 round mags coming back to the bach with ACat licencesQuote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot