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Thread: Cobb fallow are certainly doomed

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    Cobb fallow are certainly doomed

    FFS, DOC have came out saying today after the last 1080 drops in the Cobb they have rat numbers surviving 20% more than they hoped and now will hit the area again and other areas more intensely.
    They going to increase the 1080 amount from 1.5kg to 2kg per hec . Thats surely the end of the fallow up there if it wasnt the case before and will hit the reds hard as well.
    If DOC think they can really wipe out Rats using 1080 they have less brains they a stone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deer243 View Post
    FFS, DOC have came out saying today after the last 1080 drops in the Cobb they have rat numbers surviving 20% more than they hoped and now will hit the area again and other areas more intensely.
    They going to increase the 1080 amount from 1.5kg to 2kg per hec . Thats surely the end of the fallow up there if it wasnt the case before and will hit the reds hard as well.
    If DOC think they can really wipe out Rats using 1080 they have less brains they a stone.
    That is pretty shit for the deer herd. Are they using repellent?

    Doc know full well rats wont be wiped out by 1080, its about reducing numbers temporalrely to allow increased fledgling recruitment for the local bird populations. Adult birds are for the most part harder prey, but the eggs and chicks get hammered. Rats will outlive us on this planet....
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    Problem with this theory of theirs is you have no control of the kill. What they are doing is killing off the susceptible rats and only leaving those that aren’t interested in taking poison baits to breed. Over the next few years we will see a sharp increase in the failure rates of drops due to by-percentage numbers of inherently poison shy rats increasing.

    This is the same thing that happens with the rabbit virus releases and how we make diseases extinct in humans through immunisation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deer243 View Post
    FFS, DOC have came out saying today after the last 1080 drops in the Cobb they have rat numbers surviving 20% more than they hoped and now will hit the area again and other areas more intensely.
    They going to increase the 1080 amount from 1.5kg to 2kg per hec . Thats surely the end of the fallow up there if it wasnt the case before and will hit the reds hard as well.
    If DOC think they can really wipe out Rats using 1080 they have less brains they a stone.
    That is extremely sad news

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    Sadly there isn’t a herd to wipe out as they have already been hammered repeatedly on both sides - Cobb and Mt Arthur.

    It’s the biggest mast year since the last biggest mast year and there are hoards of rats and mice, so more 1080 is the only solution. Those hoards never seem to be on Mt Arthur and approaches when I’m there.
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    You obviously aren’t looking at the numbers from your office in Wellington or Auckland...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mauser308 View Post
    Problem with this theory of theirs is you have no control of the kill. What they are doing is killing off the susceptible rats and only leaving those that aren’t interested in taking poison baits to breed. Over the next few years we will see a sharp increase in the failure rates of drops due to by-percentage numbers of inherently poison shy rats increasing.

    This is the same thing that happens with the rabbit virus releases and how we make diseases extinct in humans through immunisation.
    If this were the case it would already be evident. They have been poisoning rats with 1080 for years. Selection due to feed behaviour is quite a different kettle of fish to natural selection due to pathogen resistnence which is what we're artificailly manufacturing with vaccines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spitfire View Post

    It’s the biggest mast year since the last biggest mast year .
    and by the end of the year they will be predicting a "super turbo mega mast" (a once in a thousand year occurance) for 2020
    why cant they just be honest and say "we know we cant kill all the rats we just want to try and kill everything we can"
    oh thats right pollies and beaurocrats arent capable of honesty.
    not until city dwellers and big city lifestylers (psuedo green hippy wannabe farmers) start seeing their cats and dogs and horses dying on mass from it will it ever stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick-D View Post
    If this were the case it would already be evident. They have been poisoning rats with 1080 for years. Selection due to feed behaviour is quite a different kettle of fish to natural selection due to pathogen resistnence which is what we're artificailly manufacturing with vaccines.
    It's evident round where I live - I had to change bait type in my stations recently as the numbers of healthy rats had suddenly gone up. Change bait type, problemo solved... Pest man said that he'd experienced it in a few places in the last year, and as the numbers of stations are going up in the areas around here the numbers of rats getting killed off has increased. The numbers of rats that don't take the bait he was using have also increased as the food supply for, and breeding potential of the surviving population hasn't changed. What has changed, is the amount of poison around due to the increase in the numbers of stations. This is the issue with 1080, it works reasonably if used once every 7-10 years as you are 1-2 generations between drops. Use it every year or twice a year during these funny annual 'mast years' we are having is exactly the same, lo and behold, 2 years in and a 20% survival rate. Oops, more poison sir the answer is more poison!!! No, actually it isn't it's better application technique and using the full spread of control measures not just the cheap lazy way.
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    But if they dont use the cheap lazy way with non selective bombing then the nasty deer pigs chamois tahr keas wont die out! Oh dear oh deary me .
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    Suppose the moss, lichen and fungi making up most of the endangered species list will be better off - point well made (bastard keas)...

 

 

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