Thread: Goodbye possums, rats and stoats

My opinion on Maggie Barry is this; I always liked the way she looked at me when she did the garden show on TV. I think that she fancied me. Otherwise, I just think that she is another politician who doesn't fully understand her portfolio and that her close advisors are not much better. Fortunately the policies that she promotes have been built up by knowledgable and qualified people who are probably not that close to her. These are people who you likely despise called the "bureaucrats".

I was a former National Party electorate chairman. Last election I voted for Labour.

I'm a member of the Lower NI Red Deer foundation, and a donator. We currently have a court action against DOC filed. Have you donated?

I have never said that with the current knowledge and methodology the eradication of pests is achievable. In any time frame. I have said that it is a laudable vision that will take R&D funding and new and different methodologies to realise the vision. I live for the day that 1080 is no longer in our armoury.

In regards to professionalism, you are guessing, and I think that you might be somewhat surprised.

More likely bored. As ever these debates become semantic.
The bastards have to be kept honest unfortunately and that doesnt happen by believing the spin and bullshit.

Sit tight boys and girls. There is some very good info to be released shortly.
In the meantime pay attention to certain Tasmanian foxes and the people associated both there and here.

Tahr, me old mate, I was offering the big white hanky to you and I was going to play the violin. An eventual farewell dirge to the green rain and the bureaucracies that feed off it.

Originally Posted by Woody

Sit tight boys and girls. There is some very good info to be released shortly.
In the meantime pay attention to certain Tasmanian foxes and the people associated both there and here.

Tahr, me old mate, I was offering the big white hanky to you and I was going to play the violin. An eventual farewell dirge to the green rain and the bureaucracies that feed off it.

Ahhh, Woody. I'm exhausted from all of the the writing and thinking. I will just sit quietly and wait for this epiphany that you are promising.

This thread is going well guys

OK its snowing so you can suffer through another post.
As far as donating for the Tararua deer thing - if you were a real conservationist you wouldnt take DOC to court and take valuable money from their limited budget would you? Hypothetically speaking.
Isnt it true that we are all hypocrites and that those on here who preach the conservation benefits to 1080 (of which there are many in the right circumstances but also so some much denied problems) are happy to be not so conservation minded when their self interest is involved? Like grumbling about the kaweka drop specifically or the above court situation? Its flawed to take the mainstream 1080 net benefit spin position.
Id say real questions have to be asked of 1080 use constantly, is it ok to kill 13% of kea in the south island with every drop? By the way, where are the okarito study results, where have they gone? I dont think its ok to destroy a species becuase its politically expedient to do it. Rock wrens? Is that OK?

The right position is to not trust DoC and not repeat their spin as fact.
Ive met and worked with some really nice people in DoC at the ground level and ive seen some evidence of real rot in the system higher up - OK'ing the snowdon monorail until overuled, lying and omission of 1080 "facts", pushing for helihunting the list goes on so I say stick it to them in court they certainly cant be trusted and that certainly goes for their poison position. You have my support for the case but not yet my money.

I hope it's possible to get rid of predators but I don't hold much hope.

I don't have a particularly like or dislike for 1080... I's just another poison. I do think airdrops are cheap, that is what DOC say on their website. I also think that there IS plenty of by-kill, some of it native and some non, I have seen it while out after drops. I don't really believe that there is some sort of corruption or conspiracy, well I haven't seen the evidence BUT I do believe there is some serious dogma (on both sides). For all the time they have been dropping 1080 they are just starting to admit there might be a problem with the Kea? It would be sad if one of my favorite bird was helped into extinction by aerial poison drops. Cant they make an exception and use ground methods in their habitats? But I think the ramifications of accepting the by-kill issue would cost so many millions in changing to Kea safe methods and would be effectively an admission of by-kill issues that would have huge political ramifications.

I just say be very careful about believing everything scientists (or Lobbyists) say as: 1. they are wrong sometimes. 2. someone pays their wages 3. there is way too much politics mixed up in this one.

Some of the new technologies are great such as Spitfire (automatic application trap) which you can leave in the bush for a year and will kill 100 animals (so they say). I hope they do spend money on these technologies and use them as a way out of aerial drops.

I just don't trust Politicians especially ones with grandiose projects they with no details of how they are going to deliver.

Oh the irony.

While they chuck 1080 at them in mid winter.

Government reveals conservation project with aim to be predator free by 2050 - National - NZ Herald News

SEEMS IVE HEARD THIS BEFORE RABBITS DEER WILD PIGS wasps
how you gonna iradicate rats when your constantly providing perfect habitat and feeding area,s for them
ie towns cities the newly to be massively enlarged auckland

, plus new innovations arising from research

mm possum contraception for instance shit we cant even get teenagers to fuckin use it but possums no sweat

Well you start off by forcing people to register and chip their cats. ( Zealandia fans inside Wellington Council have been quick off the mark here! )

The collection of fees creates and justifies yet another wasteful and unjustifiable and unnecessary bureaucracy. This will spread through the main centres and then into the smaller district councils.

The surplus from the fees imposed can be channeled back into the great rat eradication company as "public input".

A surreptitious way of increasing taxes, reducing freedoms and increasing the amount of poison chucked around the place.

The tourism philanthropic investors will still get "clean green" imagery and media hype to help promote their incoming investments.

The National government steal some of the looney green vote help them to keep power without needing other MRP parties.

Originally Posted by Woody

Well you start off by forcing people to register and chip their cats. ( Zealandia fans inside Wellington Council have been quick off the mark here! )

The collection of fees creates and justifies yet another wasteful and unjustifiable and unnecessary bureaucracy. This will spread through the main centres and then into the smaller district councils.

The surplus from the fees imposed can be channeled back into the great rat eradication company as "public input".

A surreptitious way of increasing taxes, reducing freedoms and increasing the amount of poison chucked around the place.

The tourism philanthropic investors will still get "clean green" imagery and media hype to help promote their incoming investments.

The National government steal some of the looney green vote help them to keep power without needing other MRP parties.

Ill just shoot the cat.

Originally Posted by sneeze

Ill just shoot the cat.

A gift for you then sneeze

Originally Posted by sneeze

Ill just shoot the cat.

i like cats, they taste like chicken.