Thread: Help Stop 1080, please sign

Originally Posted by Slug

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/1...tuatara-deaths

May not be 1080 but shows the outcome of secondary poisoning. Then again, secondary poisoning of 1080 has been ignored and denied outright it happens.

I imagine that the people who supported the massive Brodi drop to help create the Brook sanctuary, will be crapping themselves

They just crap over everyone who stands in their way; period; and supported by Nick Smith and Twig n Tweet.

Maybe I should of said that they "should" be crapping themselves. rather than "will" be.
It can only be a matter of time before something dies from secondary poisoning . But then, I guess that it would most likely not get too much publicity due to the nature of the sanctuary and the massive council funding it received

Makes you wonder aye , how many bugs carry this stuff around only to be eaten by birds & lizards

Brodi is waay worse than 1080 thats for sure.

1st of September Northern Ruahines

Originally Posted by Boaraxa

Makes you wonder aye , how many bugs carry this stuff around only to be eaten by birds & lizards

If the dose is sub lethal it is processed and flushed from your system. Its the animals that die that pose the secondary poisoning threat. It can persist in carcasses for months

Originally Posted by Chur Bay

Brodi is waay worse than 1080 thats for sure.

Not quite right. Brodie has been researched a way more because other countries say 1080 is to dangerous to use.

Originally Posted by Nick-D

If the dose is sub lethal it is processed and flushed from your system. Its the animals that die that pose the secondary poisoning threat. It can persist in carcasses for months

I read a report after they did a drop on ulva island , everything copt a dose rite down to the cod & mussels unbelievable , even the tree,s take the stuff up once it breaks down .

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Not quite right. Brodie has been researched a way more because other countries say 1080 is to dangerous to use.

That’s opinion, incomplete and incorrect.

Yet I can come up with lawyers that say different.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Do you have any evidence for this? They are big statements.

Hi @Tahr, in answer to your request for evidence for my statements: Paragraph 1 - 1080 poison is cruel without doubt so well proven that I don't believe you would debate that point. The same for the poisoning of vertebrates and invertebrates alike.

Para 2: If you look at the extinctions of birds like the NZ Native Quail Coturnix Novaezelandiae , this bird was common across the Nth Sth and Great Barrier Islands, so common that daily bags of 100 were easily shot. Then simultaneously they disappeared. Bird life international lists the cause as 'diseases from introduced game birds' The following link will show you how extensive the problem is - http://scholar.google.co.nz/scholar_...l=1&oi=scholar

The inland sanctuary Islands is a 'no-brainer' we already see how these work - how birds move to safe areas to breed and then move out into the wider area. The same concept can also be seen working with marine sanctuaries.

Brodi is fat soluble, sub lethal doses when ingested are stored evenly distributed through the bodies fat stores and if conditions are right can remain immobile for months possibly years. In time of famine when the body starts metabolising its fat reserves then you get lethal levels released into the bloodstream. That cockroach looked to have binged on a blue block shortly before squish, so thee effect of eating that would be like eating the block itself.

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Yet I can come up with lawyers that say different.

I have no doubt that any number of Lawyers could be 'purchased' to champion any point of view you care to put forward.

Opinion, unqualified and tested observation without the guidance of scientific best practice (tested and reviewable process that bears up under the scrutiny of peer review) is an unfortunate distraction at best and I must admit an understandable attraction but mostly just a real wast of time we can't afford. Once a large enough pool of data has been gathered it needs to be assessed without the influence of financial or proffessional reward etc.

It's understandable that when a fella who stalks a block he knows well does not see rats for example or evidence of rats to naturally enough assume that they are not present or at least in very low numbers. Track tunnels with baits and cameras etc are at the least a proven starting standard for assessing population numbers, short of that 'observation opinion' does not help.

What I find most discouraging at the moment are the numbers of folk who have no or little faith in scientific standards or are unaware of them and are invested in promoting baseless notions or are more invested in their pet or preffered version rather than being prepared to constantly test and re visit their current understanding critically - good tested research is not opinion, it is unless you can come up with reliable tested data to prove otherwise fact.

Hi Wirehunt, I'm not having a go at you here or anyone really, just got on a roll, having a rave and getting thought's observations on paper

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Hi @Tahr, in answer to your request for evidence for my statements: Paragraph 1 - 1080 poison is cruel without doubt so well proven that I don't believe you would debate that point. The same for the poisoning of vertebrates and invertebrates alike.

Para 2: If you look at the extinctions of birds like the NZ Native Quail Coturnix Novaezelandiae , this bird was common across the Nth Sth and Great Barrier Islands, so common that daily bags of 100 were easily shot. Then simultaneously they disappeared. Bird life international lists the cause as 'diseases from introduced game birds' The following link will show you how extensive the problem is - http://scholar.google.co.nz/scholar_...l=1&oi=scholar

The inland sanctuary Islands is a 'no-brainer' we already see how these work - how birds move to safe areas to breed and then move out into the wider area. The same concept can also be seen working with marine sanctuaries.

Sorry Sorry Wrong link attached earlierhttp://scholar.google.co.nz/scholar_url?url=http://www.academia.edu/download/43426122/malcolm_journal_club.pdf&hl=en&sa=X&scisig=AAGBfm2 dpJz1fGs4vz8WQH8lm3y9SreNCw&nossl=1&oi=scholarr