Lol good call.Quote:
Originally Posted by northdude
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Lol good call.Quote:
Originally Posted by northdude
Ugh wrong quote... I have been tracked/indicated in the Bush by a weimaraner onceQuote:
Originally Posted by Bonecrusher
You could be correct. Stuff say that the police are assisting the coroner, so that might indicate that a second or third party were not involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
A huge amount of new zealand men are colour blind so orange looks brownQuote:
Originally Posted by GWH
Ive heard to the contrary, that he was indeed shot by a member of his own hunting partyQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Its a bloody tragedy nonetheless. Personally, I have avoided hunting over Easter for 20 years now. I have known of four associates / friends killed in the roar, and another seriously injured. People are fallible.
Ask any soldier who has fought within range of yankee field guns or bombers.
I may have misunderstood, as apparently others have too. But I'm sure he can speak for himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
Go have a beer and a wank then have another read bro[emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointer
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I'm also never going to have a car crash because I'm a perfect drive :ORLY:
If you think you are perfect (will never make a mistake identifying target) I feel you have the highest chance of making a mistake as you will likely be more complacent.
It's proved time and time again that's it's experienced hunters that shoot people, much like it's often experienced/over confident drivers that kill people etc
@Ryan_Songhurst nothing against you as you obviously feel strongly about the subject but your comments about being perfect sends shivers up me after reading/hearing horror stories from members of the other forum that have sworn they will never make a mistake and then have in fact shot and killed people.
Just remember it's a high chance the person or people involved are part of this community...
Can you show me where I said I am perfect please? I said I'm not going to shoot anyone, nothing about being perfect? Bit of a difference between having a genuine accident in a vehicle and poking a bullet into someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
Why do you consider them different?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
The best way to not shoot anyone is to be like me, and never go hunting or shoot anything. Hard to shoot people by accident posting on the internet from home!
Scenario for one.[emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
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You even let old slow bastards sneak up on you in a supermarket[emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
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Of course it depends on the scenario, but why is a "genuine accident" ok with a motor vehicle (kills a lot more people than firearms in NZ) but the same doesn't apply to a firearm? Either way there's been a cockup and you've potentially killed someone through negligence (depending on the scenario)
enjoy your milkQuote:
Originally Posted by R93
It was sealed. I just checked[emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
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There is an absolutely failsafe process that will ensure that you never shoot a person in the bush which involves the simple procedure of identifying your target. Do that one thing, properly, and it will never happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Yes the blokes who have shot people swear black and blue they saw a deer, of course they do, what do you expect them to say... "I saw something move and I thought that there was some kind of possibility it was a deer so I shot it" of course not, they admit that and it becomes the moment they can't live with themselves.
A vehicle accident can happen for any number of reasons, sometimes because the driver was drunk, driving at excessive speed etc in which case they belong in the same basket as the shooters.
Saying you are 110% sure you will never make a target identification mistake is where you said that. 100% is typically regarded as perfect, 110% is slightly better than perfect...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
Also can't see the difference between having a genuine accident in a vehicle and a genuine accident with a firearm
Accident is the key terminology
Or the fact you swore you looked left and right then pulled out in front of a truckQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
Or you swore you stopped at the stop sign and then got t-boned
Or you swore you were driving to the conditions but then slid out on a bend
It's all a decision,
That would not surprise me in the slightest with the crazy mindset of all you blokes bsically admitting you don't trust yourselves or your proceduresQuote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
It's not about trusting yourselves and procedures, I'm more than comfortable with my procedures and ability to identify a target animalQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
I'm just not brash enough to say I'm never going to make a mistake, maybe if I was a keyboard hunter I could say that
So possibility you will shoot someone one day, yes/no?Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
@Ryan-SonghurstQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
This is an interesting comment. Because actually sociopaths are given less to fear and often have better self-control than normal people when the heat is on. They are thus less likely to shoot you - at least not by mistake, but therein lies their problem....
Nothing is impossible so they say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
I honestly cannot say it would never happen, I could slip and trip cause an accidental discharge and shoot myself for all I know.
Accidents happen and that's the fact, careless acts happen, people die. You cannot deny facts.
I will leave it there as you have closed your mind off to others opinions
On one of my first hunting expeditions, long before any of you bastards were born, I was with a mate the same age as me, his dad was a very keen hunter. We got on to a spiker, only separated by about 20 metres of bush. We could clearly see it head through the bush trying to reach the high branches, but we could not see his body. My mate was adamant that we could shoot until we identified it fully. Sat watching the movement for about 10mins till it decided to bolt. Great training from his dad that someone of 16-17 had the nous to identify the target completely. Must have left an impression as that was at least 50 years ago. Tally that weekend, two hinds, a stag and a different spiker. I was suitably shagged by the time I got back to the Hillman combie station wagon
That must have been a huge 'Oh fuck' moment in your life. Did you throw stones and poke at it with a stick?Quote:
Originally Posted by matto1234
That's the problem, these people are most often doing this but reach the wrong conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
Like others you just danced around the question. I too could have a "genuine" accident with a firearm but I sure as hell will never line someone up and put a bullet in them. If you read the earlier post I made comparing these guys that shoot people with rapists, and then use your way of thinking, do you also come to the conclusion that since it's physically possible you could end up raping someone one day?Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
No they're not. They SAY they are doing that, but they're not, or it wouldn't happen. The research is always going to be flawed because they are always going to stick to that same story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moutere
There are plenty of cases where family or a member of their own party is brought down by a measured and calculated shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
Your last line is just opinion.
Yeap exactly, and they didn't identify their target did They? No they didn't, or they would have seen it was a person not a deer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moutere
They did not identify their target. End of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moutere
It is a scary scenario to think there are people running around the bush with firearms that see things that are not there
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Correct,Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
Show me a shooting accident or incident where one of the seven basic rules haven't been broken and I'll eat my hat.
I guess my approach is accepting in the heat of the moment it's not quite cut and dry as that.
My experience with decision making and succumbing to visual illusion is industry based.
It's easy to bring on certain visual phenomena in a flight simulator, I've had a couple of instances in the hot seat too.
Having experienced my eyes seeing one thing and my brain rearranging into something else I have no doubt it can happen with a hunter.
Perhaps in part, it's because NZ was know internationally as a sparsely populated, bush rich country with deer behind every tree. A 303 to be bought at every country servo and to hunt, our god given right. Sounds plausible until about 35 years ago, when successive governments allowed immigration, foreign land sales and forests' to be sold off. All this in turn, has led to an over exuberance of 'hunters', vehicles and limited huntable land for the masses. This is my take, but I've been wrong before...Quote:
Originally Posted by savage270
Firearms accidents have decreased massively over the past few decades, your hypothesis doesn't hold up very well.
I think that has sumed up the whole thread rather well mateQuote:
Originally Posted by R93
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I go out a bit but don't shoot many deer as I have passed up so many shots that were what appeared to be a deer and probably were but for me probably and appeared aren't 100% identifying the target so I went home empty handed which sucks a bit but at least I didn't shoot anybody
I am sure all of us that venture bush have seen things at first glance we thought were animals. Shape, colour, movement, location etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
A few seconds or minutes spent scrutinizing will usually sort it.
Seeing something within a few meters and being convinced it is an animal when it is not, is different level shit I have no experience with. I cant understand or fathom it.
Probably happens to bigfoot witnesses[emoji16]
If I ever had an incident where I was 100% sure I am looking at an animal and it turned into a human I would hang up my boots.
That is why I firmly believe miss identification stems from attitude.
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Great postQuote:
Originally Posted by R93
Couldn't agree more
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