That's my understanding. Too many people in the bush and not enough bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by muka88
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That's my understanding. Too many people in the bush and not enough bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by muka88
Plenty of bush, just not a lot of easy bush so they get concentrated near road ends and walking tracks. Get 2-3 hours in off the tracks and you'll be a lot safer.Quote:
Originally Posted by outlander
Please excuse my ignorance here but I am keen to get out and bag my first stag was keen to get into the Kaimai's but after this incident, I am very hesitant. i wear orange blaze hat and other gear to make myself visible to other hunters as well and with @Pointers advise i move away from the tracks and will be hunting away from the beaten tracks
What the safest way to get out on to DOC land and bag a Deer?
I have a young family and I cannot take the risk of them ending up without me. or do I need to read between the lines here and stay out of the bush during the Roar, or hunt book a hunt on private land?
Be as responsible as you can whilst hunting, you can't control the actions of others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milan501
You take more of a risk driving on the road to your hunt than you actually do hunting.
I don't think there is a real answer to that one its like asking how not to get killed while driving on the road you can do everything right but there's always some fukwit that's to lazy or thinks they are more clever than everyone else
I'd also loose the orange blaze mateQuote:
Originally Posted by Timmay
@GWH , why lose the orange blaze ?Quote:
Originally Posted by GWH
It's quite commonly accepted that it actually makes you a target, in low light under bush canopy and when it's obstructed behind scrub etc it looks very similar to deer colour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milan501
I've witnessed this myself in a roar situation. Scared the crap out of me.
Some of the more recent miss-ID shootings have involved the victim wearing blaze orange.
I will never wear it! And many others share the same opinion.
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Aaah...thanks for explaining that Gibo. I've only ever hunted privately owned farms, hence my limited local knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
Its reasonably steep on the Waikato side but on the Tauranga side the bush goes for miles and miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by outlander
Noted thanks , in that case what is the best to wear to make yourself visible to other hunters but not deer ??Quote:
Originally Posted by GWH
To be honest worrying if a deer will 'see' you particular in a bush situation is the least to worry about, they will sooner smell and hear you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milan501
I'm going full left field on this and throwing it out there.
Why not ban Easter hunting?
Then old Johnny that gets his old 270 out once a year only at Easter gives it some crc and packs 48 lion browns into a pack and heads into the hills ain't in there.
He's the type of guy that won't go in during the week and won't go in normal weekend.
Remove old Johnny and she's safer for us All??
The one common thing it seems to me is someone gets shot ever Easter..
As hunters I think we can agree on the fact we are all over it.
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I fear this is not a bad idea given the history of 'accidents' here in NZ
Hmmmm....banning .270s would probably have a similar effect? [emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
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I remember sitting on a bike on a ridge waiting for 3 friends to come back from right down the end of the valley looking for deer. What amazed me was how clearly I could see the one wearing the bright fluro yellow vest as they walked across the clearing. The other 2 in camo were so much harder to see (obviously). The fluro yellow stood out like dog's "whats-its".... from what was probably about 1km away; it looked like a spotlight was on her it was so bright from that distance, . It was only a $5 Chinese shop vest; but it really got me thinking that it would be a cheap investment to help with safety.
Not trying to pick a fight but yea that's all good and well if your lucky enough to have your own bit of private land to shoot on and can control who's there at given times some of us aren't so lucky and can only go when time and work permits may as well go the full hog and ban shooting all together then no one will ever get shot again possibly a better idea might be doing a safety course when applying for a permitQuote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
I don't think it is a particular type of hunter that does this - seems to be both once-a-year warriors as well as guys considered very experienced. If anything, I would say it is more likely to happen to experienced guys going on the incidents reported over the last couple of years.
Similar to motorcycle accidents. You get a lot of them in newbie riders, then it tapers off, and then a very high percentage in older riders who come back to riding in middle age.
I also don't think anyone specifically sets out with the intention of shooting a human being. Not saying this has not happened before, but pretty unlikely in the vast majority of these cases.
If you've been around guys with guns long enough, you WILL end up knowing someone who takes snap shots, who is suspect when it comes to safe handling or positively identifying targets.... And believing it will never happen to YOU is part of the problem - I think if you speak to any one of the guys who ended up shooting someone they will tell you they fell into that category before it happened
Every year we have the same debate, and yet nothing seems to change... :(
Easiest way is to avoid the DOC bush during the roar.
I suggested this a couple years ago on here but got shot down (excuse the pun)Quote:
Originally Posted by GWH
https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....41/#post456336
Curious, has there been a single incident involving the Blue hi-vis yet?
p.s ive experienced that orange 4pm sun on actual deer looking precisely like orange hivis colour. Not a nice sight. I dunno about the yellow ones though
Yellow is not good for hi-viz, can't even see it in the bush most of the time, looks like vegetation with the sun on it.
Yeah I thought it was bullshit when I first heard that but then when I saw it, man it's crazy how similar it looks.somthing to do with the light coming through the bush makes it super bright orangeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dead is better
:wtfsmilie: I can't see why you would wear bloody blaze orange in the bush, when it is been so obviously pointed out that at certain lights it resembles the colour of a fuckn deer. Orange works well out in the tussock when it's exposed to unfiltered light, but not in the bush. Give me blue any day if you want to be observed, as its a totally un-natural colour in the bush.
That's cool as mateQuote:
Originally Posted by northdude
It's just my opinon and a idea I had
I can also only hunt when time and work permits
I just choice to not hunt at Easter and was throwing out there as idea to see what people thought
Talk of banning hunting all together is just a dick move.
All for Hunter education to make it safer for all of us. I'd certainly like to think with all the young guys I've taken out over the last few years I've done a fair bit of Hunter education with first timers.
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That's interesting and good to know. It stands to reason. It did work well on an overcast day in the open; but I hadn't thought about sunlight making it look like foliage etcQuote:
Originally Posted by gimp
I wear orange blaze in the roar and hunting with mates or in high hunting pressure spots where I may run into other hunters. I would rather been seen than not. I feel a lot better I can see my mates and the dog easier.
It’s guys with the wrong mindset during the roar, they have already talked themselves into it, colour doesn’t matter, they in the thinking of
“ its the roar, I must get a stag, I can hear a stag, it must be a stag, I’m going to shoot a stag, I can here a stag coming, then there’s some movement?, next identified the movement but not the stag, now it’s point of no return the trigger is pulled!!!” Ohh shit!
Instead of of thinking the other way around “it’s a person, its a person I can hear, it’s a person coming until you can identifying a stag”
Its a person is what I'm thinking when in the bush I will even drop the rifle down and look without using the scope up to 3 or 4 times
Just don't get into the mindset that because you are in the middle of nowhere that there can't be another hunter around.
Just don't get in the mindset that because you are in the middle of nowhere there can't be hunter/hunters around.Quote:
Originally Posted by outlander
Agree with Gibo's advice. Just don't get into the mindset that because you're in the middle of nowhere there can't be other hunter/hunters close by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
Damn. Can't delete first one
Drill that point into them Allizdog haha
One thing funny, is that this Easter weekend was really not busy at all where I am hunting usually. And talking to another party of 3 who went to Kaimanawas for sika hunting, they have never seen the place so deserted.
It does not stop accidents from happening obviously but maybe the message that there ll be too many fuckwits over this Easter weekend has prevented many more to be put at risk.
I have personally chosen to hunt with a bow during the roar, I have significantly less chances of shooting someone else at least.
Ive seen the blaze orange deer thing..and are aware of it... loads of guys are red/green color blind so cant see it anyway....lots of different colors are good choice. hunting with only guys you can trust is good choice,trying to avoid public land over easter if you can is good choice,
oh and thought about it today while at work...this isnt a new thing..Philip Holden wrote of 2 incidents I can think of where he put scope on someone....first is in pack n rifle so its always been an issue.
take care out there.
Was heaps of groups set up in various places down the Desert Rd!Quote:
Originally Posted by Friwi
this place where this latest guy got shot is where we are heading for a look in a couple of weeks for a few days then heading to another place also I just wear camo as not many people shoot at plants :thumbsup:
Quote...I just wear camo as not many people shoot at plants .....
Aaaaarh......not true......
That is the false sense of safety/nobody else is here that contributes IMHO to these shootings/nobody else would walk in here it must be a deer....Id feel safer hunting 100m off of a state highway down here cos most just drive past, walk 3 hours and meet everybody else that thought they had to walk 3 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
As much as I love bush hunting roaring stags I think my days of it in the top of the south are over, just too many hunters and too many of them are complete and utter fuck wits! only got to look at all the doc signs shot up to see what sort of a shooting culture we are developing....it didn't use to be like this here....maybe up north but not here.
I said safer not safe.