Thread: New Illegal Police Firearm Policy

Originally Posted by Natatale

Hmm that maybe your way at looking at it, but there certainly hasn't been any Port Arthur type Massacres since !! and that has to be a good thing !!!

Originally Posted by stretch

Define "Port Arthur type massacre".

Originally Posted by Natatale

Any f@#k'n massacre don't play with words.

I was hoping you'd make some distinction between " types" of massacre. There's been plenty before and after Port Arthur. Digging into the firearms related ones on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_Australia, only two others were committed with semi-autos (including an evil SKS). Others were committed with bolt actions, pistols, and pump-action shotguns, knives, and fire.

The common factor is an unhinged perpetrator(s) wanting to do harm to others. Take away one means, and they'll find another way to achieve their goal.

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Originally Posted by Natatale

Get it right, I said "Military style weapons should be for those vetted and trained to use them. not just any, tom, dick or dickhead".

You've said a lot more than that.

military style semi-auto weapons aren't safe in civilian hands, they were made for War and Killing on mass.

Having semi auto 7.62 readably available to ANY person with a FAL is a recipe for a mass shooting.

And tell me what the fuck do you need with a semi auto 7.62, would you use it to stop a charging mob of goats from killing you ???
There are places for these types of weapons and NZ doesn't really need them !!

And here's the kicker.

http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...24/#post409016

Originally Posted by top gun

Natatale,

You need to have a bit of a study of the Port Arthur scenario. There hasn't been another one since because THAT one achieved Howard-the Coward's pre-conceived plan "to bring in new gun laws in Oz". He already had the new laws drawn up BEFORE Port Arthur happened. What a coincidence!!!! & I don't believe in them things.!!!

And Man landed on the moon, or did he ???, and oh 911 was a setup by the American Government to declare war on terrorism ???, show us the proof behind any of it !!!!
Lots of theories thrown around by journalists and theory crackpots, we will never Know the truth behind any of it !!!!

Originally Posted by Natatale

Hmm that maybe your way at looking at it, but there certainly hasn't been any Port Arthur type Massacres since !! and that has to be a good thing !!!

Define "Port Arthur type massacre".

Bolt action rifles = evil sniper rifles

AND: before we can say " there goes a flying pink pig" ( pun intended!!) we'll have gun laws just like Oz, NO bloody semi auto's at all!!!!! This is the thin end of the wedge being quietly tapped in to see what the reaction is. Sneaky bastards!!!!

Vigilance & sticking together is the only way to beat these UN inspired Fort Fumble dwellers and their lackies ( no political interference in police operations,eh????).

Keep up the good work Digit!!

Gundoc -werent you involved in the Palmy Nth courtcase where R L went the coppers over their wee flirtation claiming that freestanding pistol grips denoted an MSSA??
i know i have downloaded the decision of Justice Jillian Mallon in this case and to put it bluntly she wupped some ass-policeass to be precise.Is this issue gonna be a repeat me wonders.
I simply cannot understand why AOs have so many bloody differing interpretations of the relevant legislation -surely PNHQemploys someone to write policy???

COLFO are apparently aware of the situation and moving to react to it. Lawyer Nicholas Taylor is also in contact with police.

New Zealand is not the police state that Aussie is Natatale. If you knew the history of our firearms legislation you would know that when the government tried to introduce the Arms Amendment Bill No.2, which suggested firearms registration, 6500 submissions to parliament, the most in the history of the country, were sent in telling them to get stuffed. They had to run extra sessions for all the people who demanded to be heard in person. That bill was kicked aside. We have taken the police to court and won when they tried to make the law up around MSSA's and on other matters. We can guide the government when we try, like any lobby group.

Originally Posted by Krameranzac

New Zealand is not the police state that Aussie is Natatale. If you knew the history of our firearms legislation you would know that when the government tried to introduce the Arms Amendment Bill No.2, which suggested firearms registration, 6500 submissions to parliament, the most in the history of the country, were sent in telling them to get stuffed. They had to run extra sessions for all the people who demanded to be heard in person. That bill was kicked aside. We have taken the police to court and won when they tried to make the law up around MSSA's and on other matters. We can guide the government when we try, like any lobby group.

Ok so time will tell on that one, again so far this is all just hear say so far, nothing has been seen in writing

There's just not enough cotton wool in the world to do its job!

And we digress from the original topic.
We will have to wait and see what happens and be prepared to act on what the police say is going to happen. We can consider possible scenarios and prepare for them.

Everyone knows that aside from Aromoana and Napier, and maybe the odd other one, firearms have had little involvement in homicides. Knives and other weapons seem to be the choice.

So let's use this as a way of brainstorming of how we can deal with whatever may happen.

My thoughts anyway.

Originally Posted by jim160

And we digress from the original topic.
We will have to wait and see what happens and be prepared to act on what the police say is going to happen. We can consider possible scenarios and prepare for them.

Everyone knows that aside from Aromoana and Napier, and maybe the odd other one, firearms have had little involvement in homicides. Knives and other weapons seem to be the choice.

So let's use this as a way of brainstorming of how we can deal with whatever may happen.

My thoughts anyway.

jim -you may want to throw stephen anderson ;raurimu massacre 6dead 12g shottyand oct 1941 stan graham kowhitiranga west coast 7dead assorted b/a firearms into the pot as well.

Natatale -Krameranzacs courtcase reference;

R Lincoln vs NZ POLICE -Judgement Justice Mallon J palmerston north high court. googl;e it .The document itself from memory runs to 33 pages-but the essence of it and our learned judge leav es noone in any doubt is exactly what role police play in the firearms arena!TO put it bluntly she gives em a bloody good boot in the gunga.

I wouldn't bother with Natatale he sounds like he has taken the presses crap hook line and sinker.

Hopefully someone sorts the Cops out, does anyone know who has made this call at Police HQ?

Yep dont mind me lm just that doom and gloom guy alway in the group