Thread: Remington in a Spot of Bother

Originally Posted by FRST

I think Remington could easily boost some m700 sales by doing a few upgrades that most custom action makers already do: 60 degrees bolt throw, get rid of the inadequate extractor and put a decent claw on, reduce the massive diameter of the receiver and offer it in calibres that are at the cutting edge of what people want. And give Timney or similar some royalties and copy their trigger. The basic design of that action hasn't really changed since its inception. Rifles need to move with the times these days and Remington have been sitting on their hands for too long in my opinion.

you pretty much just described a Forbes....

Remingtons suck

I would take the article with a grain of salt.

The problem with Remington is that their budget rifles are too expensive. Their top line rifles are unexciting. Is it me or does the 700 platform seem old fashioned, like an old pop song that doesnt get played any more. Remington 700's used to be the quality economy rifle. Now they have been massively undercut by new products.They will have been hit hard by the success of the Tikka T3 for the last decade and now the Savage and Ruger American rifles. Following in the footsteps of the Tikka T3, there has been an arms race in who can manufacture the cheapest economy rifle for the masses, but its resulted in some new designs, and the 1960's model 700 just seems unfashionable.

But if anything it may be the AR15 type sales which are soft. That market is getting crowded and Remington are marketing them as the new sporting hunting rifle, which may not be a successful approach to young black rifle buyers, who can use a tactical rifle to hunt deer if they want while still having its' military charisma.

To be honest it's not the first time they've been in the hole financially. Ruger, Smith and Wesson and several other companies have seen a slump in sales, just happens that Remington sales at times are as much as several other manufacturers. I will totally agree with some of the comments, Remingtons offerings have been less than imaginative over the past twenty years.

Maybe the yanks need to learn to make a good quality rifle not one that need you need to throw half of it away and add aftermarket upgrades.
The Rem 700 now seems to be the 10/22 of the centrefire world.

well just shot my rem 700 long range in 7mm wont extract without a bit of force. groups well but what the point if you cant reload in a hurry

Originally Posted by gonetropo

well just shot my rem 700 long range in 7mm wont extract without a bit of force. groups well but what the point if you cant reload in a hurry

Is it Remington’s fault or do you have it loaded to hot?

Originally Posted by Echo

Is it Remington’s fault or do you have it loaded to hot?

factory ammo. hornady 162 gr

Originally Posted by gonetropo

well just shot my rem 700 long range in 7mm wont extract without a bit of force. groups well but what the point if you cant reload in a hurry

REMINGTON make your first shot count cause there might not be second

Not the first I think, and not the last, 1 year into Trump's first term and they are going toes up already. It seems the gun and ammo manufacturers can only make a profit if there is excess "panic" demand created by fear that a Democratic Govn will take away their toys. Once a Republican is elected sales collapse. Might be good for us in getting cheaper guns though I'd never buy a Remington for me they sum up the worst of American mass manufacturing.

Remington's problem is not that Americans are buying less guns, but that Americans (and people elsewhere) are buying less Remington guns. Like others have pointed out, Remington has very few exciting products. I would go further. I would say Remington has very few great products.

I have been a shooter for about 10 years, I have at different points of time contemplated buying of many different guns, and I have bought a number of them. Not a single time was I interested in a Remington product. In contrast, Savage, Ruger (only 10/22 line), CZ, Tikka, and other mid-range makers often have guns/products that make me want to get. In fact I seem to read more bad-experience stories/reviews with Remington than most other brands.

One can say scope makers' success should be a good indicator of general health of firearm market. As far as I can see in the last 10 years most good scope makers are thriving - Vortex, Zeiss, Nightforce, March, Bushnell, Leupold etc. I cannot think of one mid-high end scope maker that got into financial trouble and was bought out by another brand. So if Remington is doing badly, it must be a Remington problem.

In the grand scheme of things, if Remington goes it may not necessarily be a bad thing. it teaches everyone else not to be complacent. Kodak died and photography are now better than ever.

I will always have a soft spot for Remington.

I grew up with them from 22s to centerfire.
The 700 action has to be the best of its time until the after market copys/clones improved on them.
I still have a Remmy shotgun that has had shit tons of ammo thru it and hasn't let me down.


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Out of all the firearms I've owned I genuinely think the Rem Model 7 is the quintessential bolt action hunting rifle, I'm surprised they aren't more popular.

I have had a Remington 700 fire when putting the safety off,from my experience it would make you have a rethink if looking at a purchasing another.
Maybe the bad press over the 700 trigger is affecting sales.

From what I have read the quality control issues with the new management and the new factory have effected sales quite a bit. A whisper about poor quality will affect the sales of people who have never even handled one, people are wary of the bad word.
The public view of the shake up there, the buying of Marlin and H&R, and laying off of experienced staff will have hurt them. It appears it was an attempt to make more money by making the rifles cheaper to manufacture, which is the opposite of adding value.

I know that I might have bought a Remington 700 at one stage, and I might have bought a Marlin, but the bad word on quality caused me to deliberately decide a couple of years ago that if I did decide to get one I would have to hunt down a second hand older one, and if I am thinking that perhaps a lot of people who would otherwise have bought a new Remington might think the same. They don't get a cent out of that.