Thread: fish and game elections

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my humble contribution

That's probably about the going rate if you're contracting the work. I thick I've been volunteering myself to drift diving too cheap though.

no such thing as mates rates between regions huh
now i know why eastern managers are hanging around like a bad smell with a pheasant under one arm and a tame mallard under the other

Well well, something was gonna happen. Like a boil it was only a matter of time. Unfortunately it would appear from innuendo, that the former manager has been paid out. The only thing you could say about the council's handling of this is that we were too sympathetic in dealing with all the issues that evolved during Mackintosh's time in the job.
The Council bent over backwards to help Mackintosh. To say council's relationship with staff was poor is just nonsense. The secretary had our utmost respect and we appreciated the lengths she went to to hold things together through some challenging times, way more so for her than the Council. It would be fantastic if everything could be out in the open.
On the matter of conflict of interest some of you are so wide of the mark it's sad. Jeff is one hell of a nice guy with a hell of a good brain and a huge asset to anything he gets involved with. He doesn't say much but when he does it's worth listening. He has done more for upland game in HB than all the conspiracy theorists put together. There would hardly be a pheasant to shoot in the Ngaruroro catchment without game preserves. Whether they start early and end late (for the juniors shoot) has zero negative impact on upland game for license holders. Someone really benefitted from all the banded birds released by Jeff this year. I hear a Simon fulla got 40 odd.
Councillor Bates runs a family shoot at Ngamatea station. He does not profit from this in fact I would think it costs him plenty. I can't see where his COI is. Game preserves I hope are here to stay. They provide much needed birds for the public to shoot. They provide opportunity for people to gain experience for themselves and their dogs. The quality of dogs and handlers has sky rocketed in HB at least, due to the preserves. They host juniors introducing young hunters to the excitement of pheasant shooting. There are so many positives for preserves that your glass would have to be 1/4 empty to think otherwise.
If you think you need to go through private land to catch fish then you haven't got out much. There is heaps of water everywhere in HB with fish the public can access. Do all that water and by then you you'll be so good you won't be coveting so much.
There is some toxic talk out there but rest assured the council whilst a little naive in dealing with some difficult employment issues more than have their integrity intact. I resigned from Council late last year for personal reasons, but during my time all the councillors acted honourably and in good faith in dealing with the issues presented to us. Maybe it is a time for some change but have a good read of the candidate profiles and read again. Research all the candidates and ask yourselves about integrity. I know who I am not voting for.
Jeremy Dearden.

yea the public can hunt them for a price
funny thing is i didnt see one example of somone citing conflict of interest??
on the whole thread.
ngamatea was owned by the same outfit that owned the station i was on.
wonder where his pheasant seed stock/current stock comes from??
now who else guides/hunts on ngamatea for deer umummumm

Originally Posted by gsp follower

ngamatea was owned by the same outfit that owned the station i was on.
wonder where his pheasant seed stock/current stock comes from??
now who else guides/hunts on ngamatea for deer umummumm

I'm calling wide there GSPF. I think there is two different things that need identifying there.

Some (all?) councils run a conflict register that you can identify any "potential" conflicts.You might include beneficial relationships (e.g salesman for goods distributor), occupation (e.g fishing guide), acquaintance (e.g friend of most of the before mentioned) or "other" considerations being a stand holder in a F&G wetland. This to help a good manager manage any potential conflicts of interest in the decision making process where one party or another may benefit from some form of valuable consideration. Basically if you don't want to disclose these things then perhaps public office isn't the place for you?

Actual conflict of interest in making a decision. For example imagine I sell guns and ammunition and a motion is presented looking to ban magazine extensions. I like selling gun parts and ammunition so my natural inclination is to defeat the motion if possible. This is a conflict and should be discussed and minuted. A council might decide I can present a case to continue using mag extensions but remove my ability to vote on the subject or have me take no part.

Not talked about but equally or more important is staff conflicts. Imagine hypothetically the CEO has legal friends that are struggling in the global financial slow down so invents a couple legal issue's to spend a substantial but undisclosed amount of license holder money without authorisation or due cause. There is nothing to identify or prevent this. Or perhaps the CEO could own a sporting goods shop and allow industry to lobby for favourable changes that could result in personal benefit. Steel shot the most obvious.

There is problems all over F&G which stem from the top. There is certainly problems with COI but the situation you mentioned isn't one of them in my view.

fair enough tim your good at seeing the deeper darker picture.
but things in hb seem bad enough that a ACC counsellor might need to visit

Some (all?) councils run a conflict register that you can identify any "potential" conflicts.]

funny thing is of all the minutes ive looked at ,i dont believe ive seen one registered yet????

have just read the candidates profiles in hb theres a sence of deep division there.
hope this beautiful region can sort its shit for the benefit of licence buyers and the wild fish and game stocks

Originally Posted by gsp follower

fair enough tim your good at seeing the deeper darker picture.
but things in hb seem bad enough that a ACC counsellor might need to visit


funny thing is of all the minutes ive looked at ,i dont believe ive seen one registered yet????

So correct thinking would suggest full probity is on display and no conflicts have occurred. The council office may hold a register of potential conflicts. A COI on a decision made would or should be recorded in the minutes. But who's actually watching anyway???

So a spot test for you GSPF to see if I made my point - give a hypothetical situation turning this resolution into an obvious COI.

(For this July 2014 Special Meeting- no conflicts of interest were recorded so we must assume allocating F&G money to investigate a commercial operation has some unseen benefit for the license buyer).

8.3 Council instructed staff to allocate 6K to the investigation of establishing a large commercial fish out pond. (14/07/8.3) Bates/ Nibblet

(Goodness knows what is behind such a resolution?)

i saw that and thought ''what the f..k''
theres obviously 2 differing views on the councill as to where our future lies ??
one would appear to support planting oppurtunities the other fighting for wild bird retention and enhancement.
but not doing wild counts and banding seems like putting your head in the sand and hopeing the problem either flies away or you get your solutions and info based on another regions maybe differing circumstances and topography.??.
i wonder for instance do the birds still raft up off blackhead beach or is horeshoe lake out elsthorpe way still a major refuge during the season??land use change woulsd seem obvious even from the differnces i noticed on the places i use to know.fuck me the patangata pubs only open 3 days a week and that in the avo

[QUOTE.3 Council instructed staff to allocate 6K to the investigation of establishing a large commercial fish out pond. (14/07/8.3) Bates/ Nibblet
(Goodness knows what is behind such a resolution?)
[/QUOTE]

hehe
i cant see for the life of me how stopping banding and population monitoring adding a commercial fishout pond goes with the stated aims of some of the returning candidates

Originally Posted by gsp follower

[QUOTE.3 Council instructed staff to allocate 6K to the investigation of establishing a large commercial fish out pond. (14/07/8.3) Bates/ Nibblet
(Goodness knows what is behind such a resolution?)

hehe
i cant see for the life of me how stopping banding and population monitoring adding a commercial fishout pond goes with the stated aims of some of the returning candidates[/QUOTE]

Nor I, @gsp follower...

Fish out pond...what???? we have spectacular streams and rivers which attract fisherfolk the world over...meanwhile...there, minuted, is six thousand dollars to be allocated to a feasibility study...for crying out loud...what a wanton waste of licence money...there can be only one outcome to such a resolution...the feathering of a nest or nests...and obviously not a feral mallie's one...

Originally Posted by gsp follower

but not doing wild counts and banding seems like putting your head in the sand and hopeing the problem either flies away or you get your solutions and info based on another regions maybe differing circumstances and topography.??.

It is unclear if all monitoring has stopped? So their heads might not be in the sand. I'll explain why what you read concerns me anecdotally from available information.

From the same minutes re the fish out pond where no conflicts were registered.

8.1 Council opted to cease the banding of mallard........ Nibblett/ Duley

8.2 Council INSTRUCTED staff to reallocate funding from mallard banding to........ Nibblet/ Lumsden


NO BANDING?- If wild banded birds regularly turned up shot on a property that supplied captive bred birds to shoot it could provide an insight into the attractant potential of these live decoys and any adverse effect on the public access to the public resource. No banding, no problem (will show up). Would you want to provide information that might detract supplying captive bred birds if that is what you do? This is one way to view this resolution. Is there a conflict or a strong perception of one on these grounds? Obviously not going by the minutes.

In any council we are left with only the integrity of those holding public office to maintain the publics confidence in the organisations operations. Robust honest evaluation is required and recorded to maintain the perception of transparency and accountability. My perception is the publics confidence in F&G isn't gaining altitude.

its interesting that they cut this that and the other and say they support the mallard research program also whaT ELSE THE StYMIED IN THOSE QUOTEd lines .
but wouldnt you think you,d still want some sort of idea whats happening and pertinent to your region.
surely its not a case of we dont really want to know how bad it is we would rather anymore bad news came from somewhere/one else is go ie the AW/SOUTHLAND research.
and yes i can see if you go the put and take ducks root you would want embarrassing numbers of wild banded birds in the mix.