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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst View Post
    Pull your head in buddy nowhere does it state in the article that this is anything to do with Joe Public vs the farmer it's an initiative started by the council not the farmer
    Ease up.

    As I indicated previously, in the 1970's and 80's this was my stomping ground. It has never been plain sailing accessing that part of the Ruahines.
    Councils do not pick unformed legal roads at random and go through the convoluted process of Stopping them. There is always a motivating factor. And the motivating factor is NOT maintaining public access along an unformed legal road. Any reduction in the legal status of that road is a reduction in the Public's ability to access Public land at the end of the public road. Period.

    If its a 'shitheads stuffing things up for everyone' issue, then involve the law. Do not remove unformed legal roads just to make things easy to manage compliance with the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XR500 View Post
    Ease up.

    As I indicated previously, in the 1970's and 80's this was my stomping ground. It has never been plain sailing accessing that part of the Ruahines.
    Councils do not pick unformed legal roads at random and go through the convoluted process of Stopping them. There is always a motivating factor. And the motivating factor is NOT maintaining public access along an unformed legal road. Any reduction in the legal status of that road is a reduction in the Public's ability to access Public land at the end of the public road. Period.

    If its a 'shitheads stuffing things up for everyone' issue, then involve the law. Do not remove unformed legal roads just to make things easy to manage compliance with the law.
    What had any of that got to do with the farmer? Your earlier post seems like a pretty clear beat up on the farmer as having instigated all this
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    ......So its not the farmer???????
    Here's a 2009 article.........

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-sta...-row-escalates
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst View Post
    Pull your head in buddy nowhere does it state in the article that this is anything to do with Joe Public vs the farmer it's an initiative started by the council not the farmer
    From my prior experience with similar situations of the closure of an unformed public road, I can say that the process is initiated by the landowner first meeting with the council and then making a formal application to them. It is a relatively simple process of gazetting the proposal in the local papers and if there are no objections following this, then the road is annulled gone fineto.
    So in this case it is without doubt that the landowner has made the application to the council and not the other way around
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    I had the privilege of having access to this property for 35 years prior to moving to Tauranga in 1999 , there was always no access during lambing and we where always welcomed back when lambing was finished .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst View Post
    What had any of that got to do with the farmer? Your earlier post seems like a pretty clear beat up on the farmer as having instigated all this
    And some wonder why a.......
    Hunters are becoming so lazy theres a poled route whats the difference.
    Imagine a paper road going straight past ya house with your wife and young family home alone while all sorts of meatheads go back and forwards all hours of the day.
    I understand what XR500 is saying but hunters have changed a lot from the 70s and 80s definitely for the worse.

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    I understand both sides of the argument. But a road is a road is a road. Some are formed, some are unformed. Those roads were surveyed in somewhere between 1880 and 1910. All subsequent land Titles will have had those roads shown as cadastral information on the deposited survey plan. Consecutive owners will have built their dwellings alongside those public roads, either in full knowledge that there is a surveyed road there, or in ignorance. Either way if dickheads walking along an unformed legal road past your home are an issue, its the exact same issue as dickheads walking along a formed legal road past your home. They break the law? call the cops.

    As much as people may believe access is a privilege in this instance, its not. Along a formed or unformed legal road It is a right. Plain and simple.

    Veer off the unformed legal road, and you are trespassing. plain and simple. Trespassers on your land? Call the cops.

    In legal circumstances such as this, where are people happy for their line to be drawn? Unhappy with the law, so have changes made to suit yourself? Or act within the law and accept that the Police are hopeless/under resourced/not interested/whatever.

    Anything less than the status quo, or a realignment of the ULR is a cop out, and one small step to losing your right of access to Public land.

    Over the last couple of years it would appear that there's plenty quite happy to lose their rights...
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    I can understand your sentiment Brad's but it becomes part of the thin end of the wedge. This has happened time and again in western side. First it's the vehicular access then the poles routes are gone.
    Unlike the Easten side access is getting harder and harder. DoC has cocked it up in a few occasions, kawhatau was colossal screw up.

    The farmers comments below.

    "This is not the only access to the Ruahine National Park. There is easy access in other areas, up and down the park on both the Manawatu and Hawke's Bay sides," he said.

    It's not the only access, until it is!

    The eastern side is blessed with lots of great access. So was the western side, when I was a teen, that's near 20yrs ago.
    Problem is once opawae is gone how long before titrangi rd, petersons and Renfrew rd?
    And I can say for sure the cocky on Renfrew rd would love to shut the gate. Takapari is another problem child.

    There is fault on both sides.
    But because you are a landowner you don't have an arbitrary right to say no to access.

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    Anyone else actually made a submission yet?
    The only way access to our backcountry will be maintained is by fighting its erosion by politicians at every chance we get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veitnamcam View Post
    Anyone else actually made a submission yet?
    The only way access to our backcountry will be maintained is by fighting its erosion by politicians at every chance we get.
    As I wrote in an earlier post I will gladly make a submission, but I need some help from those who know the area if there is a viable alternate route for the road to be relocated to ? I dont want to make a submission that does not propose a viable solution.
    Where is the exact location so that I can look at it on Wams ?
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    Hope this helps

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