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    Why are tracers prohibited (and first on the list)? Heaven forbid we can actually see where our rounds are travelling.
    I get the dum-dum (mercury fulminate) and AP prohibitions, but tracers - really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg View Post
    Just be aware that any projectile with anything other than copper or lead in it is prohibited now...along with 22 bird shot....
    There is no restriction on the possession of 'prohibited ammunition' for 'bona fide cartridge collectors', and shot cartridges for rifled firearms are not prohibited. The 'multi-projectile' classification is for multiple projectiles of bore diameter and the law gives 'duplex loads' as an example. The wording is poorly written (and conceived) but the meaning is clarified by the reference to duplex loads, and the specific exemption for shotgun cartridges. When you fire shot cartridges in a rifle it becomes a 'shotgun', albeit of dubious usefulness.

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    If you are after a definitive collection then you best lose the word "cheap" . They are mutually unacceptable in the same sentence. if you are serious about collecting cartridges you will need to invest real money to acheive you goal. At least you can do it in small amounts at a time.
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    They can shove that list right up their lazy jacksy as far as Im concerned.

    I mean how many WW1 anti-tank rifles or 40mm Bofors are out there that this lot think we might use to take them down???

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    Thank You...............Ye Gods, the system is having a bad hair day, it won't even allow "likes"
    It was a confusion of ideas between him and one of the lions he was hunting in Kenya that had caused A. B. Spottsworth to make the obituary column. He thought the lion was dead, and the lion thought it wasn't.

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    @gundoc, opinion on the likes of shellcracker 12ga explosive rounds? Fired at a target such as a bird to denotate in the vicinity and hopefully drive the thing away. We got very good at landing them near enough to on individual birds in the air, made them a damn sight more effective if you could do that as the bloody feathered fiends learned to ignore them after a while. My guess is that these are hooked in under explosive projectiles and therefore banned, but no such info forthcoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mauser308 View Post
    @gundoc, opinion on the likes of shellcracker 12ga explosive rounds? Fired at a target such as a bird to denotate in the vicinity and hopefully drive the thing away. We got very good at landing them near enough to on individual birds in the air, made them a damn sight more effective if you could do that as the bloody feathered fiends learned to ignore them after a while. My guess is that these are hooked in under explosive projectiles and therefore banned, but no such info forthcoming.
    The definition uses the words 'high explosive' which is not what is in Bird Frite shells. Black powder is not a 'high explosive' and is classified as a 'low explosive'. Further, the definition excludes ammunition for lawful scientific, industrial, agricultural, medical, etc. use. Therefore, agricultural use covers bird scaring ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnwolf View Post
    They can shove that list right up their lazy jacksy as far as I’m concerned.

    I mean how many WW1 anti-tank rifles or 40mm Bofors are out there that this lot think we might use to take them down???
    just seeing those two words makes me happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gundoc View Post
    The definition uses the words 'high explosive' which is not what is in Bird Frite shells. Black powder is not a 'high explosive' and is classified as a 'low explosive'. Further, the definition excludes ammunition for lawful scientific, industrial, agricultural, medical, etc. use. Therefore, agricultural use covers bird scaring ammo.
    Interesting, the DG code is not black powder...

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    Say, I'm looking at categorising my cartridges and I'm wondering is there any way to ascertain the the weight (gr) of a round without disassembling it (perish the thought) or x-ray tech? There doesn't seem to be any direct correlation between bullet weight and grain weight?

    I know it's just another column in my spreadsheet, but ultimately, I'd like to have a round from a single manufacturer (same brass, same projectile) in all the weights (gr) they offer...
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    unless you take a round from a packet you will not be certain of the projectile weight . You can weigh the cartridge on a scale to give you an all-up weight , then deduct the basic weight of the other componants .

    If you are serious about becoming a collector you probably need to download a copy of the forthcoming Ted Rogers auction for next month . Tones of collector cartridges on offer , some pretty nice ones and lots of bulk buys too. index2
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    unless you take a round from a packet you will not be certain of the projectile weight . You can weigh the cartridge on a scale to give you an all-up weight , then deduct the basic weight of the other componants .

    If you are serious about becoming a collector you probably need to download a copy of the forthcoming Ted Rogers auction for next month . Tones of collector cartridges on offer , some pretty nice ones and lots of bulk buys too. index2
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    I wouldn't get too hung up on projectile weight at this stage. If you are going to collect modern sporting ammo the weights are easy to find, usually. Likewise most military.
    Very old ammo, not so. You can research online for that info or if you end up joining catridges collectors they have a wealth of knowledge and can help.

    Weighing complete catridges - I have some sealed packets (beautifully tied with string) but in some cases no loose examples of same. I wouldn't dream of opening the packets to get at a single catridge. Substantial value would be destroyed.

    I also have a few copies (years 2017, 2018?) of the NZ Cartridge Collectors Club 2 monthly magazines that you can have which would give you insight to the more serious collecting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzza View Post
    Theres a Cartridge Collectors Club meeting in Okato in Taranaki on Saturday the 21st of this month if you are interested.

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    Just got in touch with Henry (NZCCC) and have applied for membership. The fuzz told me that I would need to be a member of a collectors club in order to qualify for bona fide collector status so I can look at a C & P endorsement with them.
    $204 and no guarantees they will endorse me; I feel like my avatar looks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocium View Post
    ............................ The fuzz told me that I would need to be a member of a collectors club in order to qualify for bona fide collector status so I can look at a C & P endorsement with them.
    $204 and no guarantees they will endorse me; I feel like my avatar looks.
    Many thanks for that as i suspect it will also apply to those of us who collect a particular type / brand of firearm and are soon to be backed into a corner by "Constable Plod and his Bovver Boys" who will come around "for a friendly chat" to ask us why why we need 15 rifles.

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    It was a confusion of ideas between him and one of the lions he was hunting in Kenya that had caused A. B. Spottsworth to make the obituary column. He thought the lion was dead, and the lion thought it wasn't.

 

 

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