Thread: Ammunition Restrictions

Politics is the art of compromise, I've heard Nicole speak exactly once but if you listen carefully she is acutely aware of this and is walking a fine line to get "reasonable" outcomes for the shooting community. Some people seem to have unrealistic expectations of what any individual politician or party can achieve, it's implicit in a democracy that outcomes will usually represent a majority viewpoint.

For those who think they heard a campaign promise (usually existing only in their own tiny little mind) that is fully achievable in a MMP system - you're in la-la land

Well it's hard to soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by vultures.
Whether you think she is a charlatan or not she does have our best interests at heart.
It is just a pity that there are a bunch of gun scared pollies in there pulling a lot of strings. They are the ones we want gone.
We have a sole proper pro firearm voice there and if she is struggling with a bunch of antis that's not her fault. We need more of her there. Lots more

Originally Posted by Zedrex

Look, you could just say "I don't know"............

Don't feed the troll

Originally Posted by csmiffy

Well it's hard to soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by vultures.
Whether you think she is a charlatan or not she does have our best interests at heart.
It is just a pity that there are a bunch of gun scared pollies in there pulling a lot of strings. They are the ones we want gone.
We have a sole proper pro firearm voice there and if she is struggling with a bunch of antis that's not her fault. We need more of her there. Lots more

Yes. The ineffectiveness arises from the system and party mechanisms, not this particular person.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

― Theodore Roosevelt

I've known Nicole since well before she became the spokesperson for COLFO. She's from the ground up a shooter and hunter and a fair bit smarter than the average pollie. If she can't enact everything you, I and she would like to be enacted, then its not for her trying. The system can make it hard going for anyone, if it wants to make it hard for them. Which it does.

Originally Posted by Tentman

Politics is the art of compromise, I've heard Nicole speak exactly once but if you listen carefully she is acutely aware of this and is walking a fine line to get "reasonable" outcomes for the shooting community. Some people seem to have unrealistic expectations of what any individual politician or party can achieve, it's implicit in a democracy that outcomes will usually represent a majority viewpoint.

For those who think they heard a campaign promise (usually existing only in their own tiny little mind) that is fully achievable in a MMP system - you're in la-la land

Exactly that and ONE voice is better than none, like most campaigns for change, momentum builds gradually and especially when sooo many people are scared of guns because "the media says so"..it's a long game

Originally Posted by Tahr

Yes. The ineffectiveness arises from the system and party mechanisms, not this particular person.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

― Theodore Roosevelt

Great words to live by to try is to truly live

Originally Posted by XR500

I've known Nicole since well before she became the spokesperson for COLFO. She's from the ground up a shooter and hunter and a fair bit smarter than the average pollie. If she can't enact everything you, I and she would like to be enacted, then its not for her trying. The system can make it hard going for anyone, if it wants to make it hard for them. Which it does.

i sincerely hope you are right!

If you ever get a chance to hear her talk in person I recommend it , she is super passionate and it becomes very obvious how bigger hill she is trying to climb.
The meeting I went to was open to anyone , it was well attended , but most of the people were however were cough cough … grey haired , I don’t know if it was just that place and time but there was not many younger ones there.

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

do any of you actually know anything positive or is it just speculation at this point

Hahahaha where have you guys been for the last 10 years?

Pretty easy to sort out, some of you lot just need to declare independence from the Crown and do a few scribbles for the constitution of your New Republic of Kiwiland:...

Originally Posted by Tahr

Thats it. And explains why some people have a hassle free experience with the Police and the FA Authority and some don't. I like hassle free, and they like a compliance.

There is a tension there though isn't there. Compliance can mean subjugated.

Have you read 1984?

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Have you read 1984?

Read it?? Man, I was there!

Originally Posted by Tahr

Read it?? Man, I was there!

Your quote could have come straight out of that book, Orwellian I think is the description.

Originally Posted by STC

People that claim mckee is "our friend" keep reminding me of the trumptards that claim trump is going to save them.

I thought this conversation was relatively civil. Somone (usualy of a particular bent) always has to try and drag things down.