Thread: Feeling sick after reading this !

Hope for the best. Expect the worst. Fight for rights.
Protect your right to gather food.
Or maybe just start out with a min 20year sentence for having a weapon in a crime.
10years min for illegal possion.
See how fast that cleans up the gun use that is causing all the crap in first place.

Originally Posted by HG Man

How much rounding are you doing on that? Thats 3 Billion containers. There are roughly 65-70K a month coming into NZ, thats 800K, rounded. Another thing, you are confusing Biosecurity and Customs. I'd suggest you have a read of the Customs Annual Report, it gives a good background on how they are doing.

'Customs simply do not have the resources required to comprehensively inspect every container that comes here'. No one says they do, but to suggest that somehow they are only finding the shipments with drugs and not the ones with drugs and guns doesn't make any sense.

Why would you go to all the trouble of importing guns, when you can just send an clean skin to a gun shop and buy what you need, or just rob someone and steal their firearms?

Happy to concede that my number relating to containers was grossly inaccurate (not intentional). But even by using your numbers that is still a couple of thousand containers per day and I don’t for a moment believe that they all get inspected. To answer your question as to why you would go to the trouble my answer is because it would be easy and would yield far greater quantities than your suggested clean skin or theft.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Happy to concede that my number relating to containers was grossly inaccurate (not intentional). But even by using your numbers that is still a couple of thousand containers per day and I don’t for a moment believe that they all get inspected. To answer your question as to why you would go to the trouble my answer is because it would be easy and would yield far greater quantities than your suggested clean skin or theft.

No one is saying they are, but like I said, to suggest that Customs is only intercepting the containers with drugs but not the ones with drugs and guns or just guns doesn't make any sense.

You are saying that walking into a shop, buying a rifle and ammunition and then walking out is harder than organising an international import of weapons, broken up into unrecognisable parts? I don't think so. This isn't Tijuana, how many guns do you think crims have?

Apathy amongst firearms license holders will be the biggest help in the demise of our sports.

We saw it before, all the righteous license holders (our guns are not dangerous) were falling over themselves to throw those evil black gun users etc under the bus in the media.

Nothing will change this time either sadly.

Originally Posted by HG Man

how many guns do you think crims have?

One is far to many for my liking but the number would be much higher. How many now banned semi automatic firearms are still in circulation and of those how many are now held by people who do not have a firearms license? Joseph my apologies for your thread being sidetracked by this distraction.

Originally Posted by Rushy

One is far to many for my liking but the number would be much higher. How many now banned semi automatic firearms are still in circulation and of those how many are now held by people who do not have a firearms license? Joseph my apologies for your thread being sidetracked by this distraction.

Sure, thats an issue, but those weapons aren't illegally imported are they.

Originally Posted by Rushy

One is far to many for my liking but the number would be much higher. How many now banned semi automatic firearms are still in circulation and of those how many are now held by people who do not have a firearms license? Joseph my apologies for your thread being sidetracked by this distraction.

Doesnt worry me @Rushy , any discusson is a good one in my books.

Let's face it...the illegal use of firearms is not the reason for what is coming.

It's simply the EXCUSE used to try and discourage private individuals from either wanting to jump through hoops or expend vast sums to enjoy their chosen sporting endeavors.

We have never been the problem and we are not ever going to be.
Penalties for firearms offences (even the possession of a firearm which is not directly used) in commission of crimes need to be much more severe.

I recall two scumbags shooting up a car full of kids on the motorway in Auckland, after a road rage incident, with shotguns they should not have had. Thankfully no one was injured but the joke of it all is despite extensive criminal records both scumbags got home detention.

That sort of result is the problem.

Originally Posted by HG Man

If that was the case, we'd be seeing a lot more intercepts in sea containers than we do currently? I can hunt down the report if you are interested, but the amount of weapons seized via sea cargo vs air cargo was massively on the side of air cargo. And its not a case of they aren't looking because we see plenty of drug intercepts in sea cargo.

There are really only 2 ways that legal firearms get into the hands of crims in NZ, straw purchasing and theft.

@HG Man. Yes and no. There is a lot that are bought for gangs and crims either by criminal-friendly types or under duress. Or stolen, the second one will be them doubling down on the security issues. Im sure though they don't want to admit that they are making the biggest shopping list when abused (and it will happen by stealth, mistake or hacking).
Also the rozzers freely, well not freely, admit that they only get less than 10% of all drugs imported to this country.
I could defer that they arent getting more as there isn't a bunch of proper sub-machine guns popping up all the time, especially with all the AK's and AR semiautos that were floating about but it will be happening more than you would like to admit

if you are bringing in 100's of kilo's of meth/coke and smack whats a few 100 pistols etc.
the bastards know if they do get caught its probably a concurrent sentence alongside the drug imports

Do you know what we need,
We need everybody's Wife, Girlfriend, Sister and Daughter to apply for their licence.
It is undeniable that the more women that get into hunting, or indeed any of the shooting disciplines then the more chance we all will have of being able to retain out freedoms and yes, rights.
This is not a political topic, this is simply the ensured survival of something we do.

Originally Posted by HG Man

If that was the case, we'd be seeing a lot more intercepts in sea containers than we do currently? I can hunt down the report if you are interested, but the amount of weapons seized via sea cargo vs air cargo was massively on the side of air cargo. And its not a case of they aren't looking because we see plenty of drug intercepts in sea cargo.

There are really only 2 ways that legal firearms get into the hands of crims in NZ, straw purchasing and theft.

Ok, I’ll call you out. Let’s see the written proof to support your statements. Also be interested to know your background to stand by those statements. I have a nephew who spends time between ports of Tauranga and Auckland in container management and says container inspection numbers is pitiful.

Originally Posted by woods223

Ok, I’ll call you out. Let’s see the written proof to support your statements. Also be interested to know your background to stand by those statements. I have a nephew who spends time between ports of Tauranga and Auckland in container management and says container inspection numbers is pitiful.

https://www.customs.govt.nz/about-us...s-intercepted/

So its not a report, but its better. You can clearly see that air cargo intercepts of weapons massively outnumber sea cargo. My job is tangently related to the border and I deal with Customs on some things. I also try and read the annual reports of major Govt departments, so I know what my taxes are going towards.

Originally Posted by GDMP

Well,for one, pistols would be the most sought after type of firearm by criminals....

Sure. But you don't see a lot of them in press releases for example. Check out Operation Tauwhiro coverage, very few pistols seized during the course of that. But to firm it up, I've lodged an OIA with police, asking about total number of firearms and type of firearms seized.

So I'll let you know in a year when they get back to me.

Originally Posted by HG Man

If that was the case, we'd be seeing a lot more intercepts in sea containers than we do currently? I can hunt down the report if you are interested, but the amount of weapons seized via sea cargo vs air cargo was massively on the side of air cargo. And its not a case of they aren't looking because we see plenty of drug intercepts in sea cargo.

There are really only 2 ways that legal firearms get into the hands of crims in NZ, straw purchasing and theft.

with only 5% of sea containers scanned, thats how illegal guns get in. Remember the container that was moved from the Auckland wharf to a holding facility and was then stolen the next night. A whole container was stolen and has never been recovered. The stolen truck was recovered though. One wonders what was in the container.