Thread: Firearm licencing

More reason to remove Police from the adminstration of the FAL system.
They're dragging their feet to try and make a point. What other licence system is so slow and poorly run?
So easiest way to solve the issue is remove them from the system.
Police are there to uphold the laws, not make them or administer any regulatory system

Originally Posted by cambo

More reason to remove Police from the adminstration of the FAL system.
They're dragging their feet to try and make a point. What other licence system is so slow and poorly run?
So easiest way to solve the issue is remove them from the system.
Police are there to uphold the laws, not make them or administer any regulatory system

I think by and large that those responsible for the licensing system are doing the best they can with the limited resources available to them. There's a lot more to issuing a firearms licence than a driver's licence or passport. Referee face to face interviews, security check, travel costs etc. If you change your address then someone is sent out to check your security at no charge to the licence holder. Someone has to be paid for doing that plus vehicle running costs and administration costs.

If the licence fee was to be doubled, as an example, then no doubt more people could be employed to help speed up the process. At present, $126.50 for a ten year standard A- cat licence is pretty damn cheap at $12.65 a year or under .25c per week.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

I think by and large that those responsible for the licensing system are doing the best they can with the limited resources available to them. There's a lot more to issuing a firearms licence than a driver's licence or passport. Referee face to face interviews, security check, travel costs etc. If you change your address then someone is sent out to check your security at no charge to the licence holder. Someone has to be paid for doing that plus vehicle running costs and administration costs.

If the licence fee was to be doubled, as an example, then no doubt more people could be employed to help speed up the process. At present, $126.50 for a ten year standard A- cat licence is pretty damn cheap at $12.65 a year or under .25c per week.

I was led to believe that police divert around half of the income from licensing into the general fund so it is not currently user pays?

Another vote here for getting plod out of administering the licensing system - they are flat out terrible at it

Originally Posted by 308

I was led to believe that police divert around half of the income from licensing into the general fund so it is not currently user pays?

Another vote here for getting plod out of administering the licensing system - they are flat out terrible at it

Don't know how true that is. I was told some time back that it costs the police nearly $400 to process a standard firearms licence. We pay $126.50 now and it's been that way since GST was increased quite a few years back. If licensing was to be done by a private enterprise then you can guarantee it will cost us at the very least double what we pay now. Many may be willing to pay that and surely many would not and they then may just use a firearm illegally. Obviously, the more licence holders there are the better it is for all of us.

Also, I'm sure there are thousands of firearms licences that are processed as quickly as they can be and you never hear about it. We tend to hear about the ones which aren't because that's the nature of the internet and fair enough too.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Don't know how true that is. I was told some time back that it costs the police nearly $400 to process a standard firearms licence. We pay $126.50 now and it's been that way since GST was increased quite a few years back. If licensing was to be done by a private enterprise then you can guarantee it will cost us at the very least double what we pay now. Many may be willing to pay that and surely many would not and they then may just use a firearm illegally. Obviously, the more licence holders there are the better it is for all of us.

Also, I'm sure there are thousands of firearms licences that are processed as quickly as they can be and you never hear about it. We tend to hear about the ones which aren't because that's the nature of the internet and fair enough too.

Mike loader did oia requests on it. Up to 50% is diverted elsewhere. It was done by district.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Don't know how true that is. I was told some time back that it costs the police nearly $400 to process a standard firearms licence. We pay $126.50 now and it's been that way since GST was increased quite a few years back. If licensing was to be done by a private enterprise then you can guarantee it will cost us at the very least double what we pay now. Many may be willing to pay that and surely many would not and they then may just use a firearm illegally. Obviously, the more licence holders there are the better it is for all of us.

Also, I'm sure there are thousands of firearms licences that are processed as quickly as they can be and you never hear about it. We tend to hear about the ones which aren't because that's the nature of the internet and fair enough too.

Maybe that is true but in the last 3 years I have-

Waited since Dec 2019 for an endorsement applic to be processed - still waiting
Had wrong info on which B-cats I hold EVERY inspection
Been called by some popo fuckwit asking if I had handed in my AR's in the confiscation - I said "What do your records show?" He said it must be a different department, I said there is only one department
-this after I had expressly gone to my local FO and got a printout to prove it

I now will no longer deal with the popo by phone as there is no record and they have consistently been spasmodic wankstains

I now have zero respect for the police and will offer them zero cooperation in all future dealings

Other people may well have great experiences with them

Originally Posted by 308

Maybe that is true but in the last 3 years I have-

Waited since Dec 2019 for an endorsement applic to be processed - still waiting
Had wrong info on which B-cats I hold EVERY inspection
Been called by some popo fuckwit asking if I had handed in my AR's in the confiscation - I said "What do your records show?" He said it must be a different department, I said there is only one department
-this after I had expressly gone to my local FO and got a printout to prove it

I now will no longer deal with the popo by phone as there is no record and they have consistently been spasmodic wankstains

I now have zero respect for the police and will offer them zero cooperation in all future dealings

Other people may well have great experiences with them

I can well understand your annoyance at that.

I've had poor service from many businesses/departments private and government. Some people are good at their jobs and some aren't and even the good ones make mistakes occasionally; they just make less of them. I've had particularly inept service from NZ Customs, certain courier companies and numerous other private businesses.

I think in some part most of us slightly and in some cases completely resent any form of authority. That's why the police in particular seem to get a bad rap from some members on here.

When dealing with people there's always going to be stuff ups and stupidity cropping up from time to time just to ruin your day. It's just the nature of human beings and as Einstein said, "two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the former".

Hey, have one of mine - I've got two
I know a guy with 5 licenses

The police really don't have a left tit of a clue what they are doing here