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    Firearm Safety by Default

    Looking at rural property via a well known website. Fotos of inside of house... lounge. Up on wall proudly under the usual red deer head was a 303 with bolt in hung up on the wall.Funny how neither the website known for its idiotic rules nor the real estate agency picked it up. The fotos also proudly recorded the address of the property. You can bet your last dollar if it was a FAL holder their licence would be revoked for lack of gun safety.

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    Or maybe the bolt has been welded in place and the bore completely plugged and its no longer a firearm it just looks like one ?
    Just like the canons displayed at war memorials and RSA clubs etc....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyb View Post
    Or maybe the bolt has been welded in place and the bore completely plugged and its no longer a firearm it just looks like one ?
    Just like the canons displayed at war memorials and RSA clubs etc....
    According to current legislation that isn't enough.
    By replacing components it would be returned to a useable condition, so the owner needs a license, and the ornament needs to be locked up.

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    And the ironic thing is I've got a 4x2 sitting out on my deck unsecured, Add enough components and it'll be a working firearm.

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    All you need is a barrel, a trigger assembly and an action and you can turn any peice of lumber from a bus stop seat into a firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross Nolan View Post
    According to current legislation that isn't enough.
    By replacing components it would be returned to a useable condition, so the owner needs a license, and the ornament needs to be locked up.


    If you replace the barrel and action then by todays law it is not the same firearm....Its a bit like my ax is on its third head and fourth handle....I have seen wall hangers that look untouched and yet the 'barrel' is a solid piece of steel rod turned down to a barrel profile....sure a competent gunsmith could potentially turn a piece of steel rod into a barrel...but if that does not comply then the law needs fixing not the ornament (cant call it a firearm if it isnt one...)
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    That was one of my submissions on the Arms act. Someone looking to make a point could start with a rifle completely welded closed and say well, if you started with the foresight and just replaced some components you'd have a working firearm.
    Unlikely, sure.
    Impossible, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Duxbury View Post
    All you need is a barrel, a trigger assembly and an action and you can turn any peice of lumber from a bus stop seat into a firearm.
    need to ban bus stop seats !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by STC View Post
    need to ban bus stop seats !!!
    "Slap". Don't give the muppets ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Growlybear View Post
    "Slap". Don't give the muppets ideas.
    Tell them laminate stocks are made from plywood...see what happens when they try to ban that...
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    It's been the perennial argument around firearms legislation - as the current law stands if you suffer a plugged barrel and don't realise and fire again you will likely blow the barrel in the good old sprong with three four or five (or maybe six if that's how many grooves you had) petals pealed back and the action and bolt recoil surfaces absolutely rooted.

    The firearm is now in a state that it can never be fired again, cannot by force of explosive discharge a shot and logically and practically it is NOT a firearm under the definition as it cannot have parts replaced to make it fire. Just another example of the nonsense... Arguments have been made that under the legislation if it's deactivated enough - that you cannot replace components and make it able to contain pressure of explosive and actually discharge a shot and therefore it cannot be considered a 'firearm' but Police/FSA interpretation as I understand it remains that once a firearm, always a firearm.

    It's the same as the sectionalised military training firearms - they show the internal workings and are cut away to show into every area that controls contains or directs gas pressure so it can never be safely fired ever unless you replace every component including most of the screws and springs but - it's still a firearm. When I was in the NZDF they had them just stuck on a wall too. Shrug...

    Same deal with some of the 'zip' crim's 'guns' (I use that word loosely) - a piece of pipe of the right internal diameter, a plug with a sprung pin adapted into it and a makeshift trigger release and it can fire a round maybe once or twice. Pipe and plastic aren't controlled yet! Also, some pen springs make great upgrade trigger springs as we all know.

    The main issue with a photo off the web like that is that you just don't know if its a new build replica display piece (and some of these are 'aged' and you need to take a look to check if they were once real or not very well done) or if it's a firearm or a deactivated one. Hard to pass judgement on it without the facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No.3 View Post
    It's the same as the sectionalised military training firearms - they show the internal workings and are cut away to show into every area that controls contains or directs gas pressure so it can never be safely fired ever unless you replace every component including most of the screws and springs but - it's still a firearm. When I was in the NZDF they had them just stuck on a wall too. Shrug...
    I remember seeing a cut away Bren at SAI Guns many years ago, was damn near cut in half right up the centre line, no way was it ever going to work again even if you found the other half and somehow managed to weld the two together. Still required a C from memory.
    Last edited by ojc2; 16-05-2025 at 12:54 PM. Reason: spelling

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    It's the same as the sectionalised military training firearms - they show the internal workings and are cut away to show into every area that controls contains or directs gas pressure so it can never be safely fired ever unless you replace every component including most of the screws and springs but - it's still a firearm. When I was in the NZDF they had them just stuck on a wall too. Shrug...

    Was that at Ohakea , I was told that they had a big collection of sectionalised rifles ?. I still remember the F16/18's??? when they where there for some sort of exercise? , amazing sight when they took off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tankd View Post
    It's the same as the sectionalised military training firearms - they show the internal workings and are cut away to show into every area that controls contains or directs gas pressure so it can never be safely fired ever unless you replace every component including most of the screws and springs but - it's still a firearm. When I was in the NZDF they had them just stuck on a wall too. Shrug...

    Was that at Ohakea , I was told that they had a big collection of sectionalised rifles ?. I still remember the F16/18's??? when they where there for some sort of exercise? , amazing sight when they took off.
    Whenuapai, Devonport, Hobby back in the day. Ohakea probably did as well I just don't recall seeing them or never went where they were for whatever reason.

 

 

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