Firearms Project Community Discussion Sessions: FCAF update

[Feral]

Clarity of communication and quality of training were two topics discussed at the Palmerston North firearms discussion. Commonality and quality of AO training was seen by the 12 or so people who attended as being necessary to avoid the different interpretations of legislation. Ie the Police needs to be accurate and within the law. The communication bit was in relation to things like the Arms Code using the right language (must, should, may etc) to take away any ambiguity and the need for differing interpretations.

An example of this was Mike McIlraith discussing the limits of unattended vs attended when leaving a firearm in a vehicle (say at a gas station during a journey). Like everything though it would end up being tested in a court of law.

[Jexla]

Is there any conformation for that @Cordite?

@Jexla can you chime in on this? ^^^

We've talked about this previously, problem is the fine line on giving legal advice vs helping to understand what the Arms Act requires of you.

Also, @Beavis has joined us at FOUNZ, so there's 2 of us lurking around if you have any related questions or comments for us.

[Feral]

@marky123

COLFO or FOUNZ might publish a version of The Arms Code, firmly based on the law, with FAQs addressing issues which clearly need clarification.

The arms code is a police document to assist them in administering the arms act. I can't see any good out of any organisation making up their own version and circulating it.

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https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...t-with-police/

new arms code is delayed.

[Sasquatch]

We all feel like doing this to them. But I think persistence is key and to just keep doing what we're doing. Fudd has already had something to say at the meetings so far and will continue too. We need to be there and help re-educate them. Well done to the guys that spoke up and posted your comments on here.

[striker]

Had the Rotorua meeting today, I didnt count but there but someone mentioned there was 32 of us there.
Ill go in to a bit more detail in a bit

[A330driver]

That being said,I (as others) would be interested in how that discussion panned out.....thanks in advance

Had the Rotorua meeting today, I didnt count but there but someone mentioned there was 32 of us there.
Ill go in to a bit more detail in a bit

[striker]

That being said,I (as others) would be interested in how that discussion panned out.....thanks in advance

It was interesting, seats for 10 people I think.
a few people brought up ideas of required alliances to clubs and learner licences with stand down periods.

permitting and lack of consistency in regards to permitting and security to the law

lack of correct and timely communication and notification of these events

Basically no idea how the system thats coming is actually going to function including choke points of applicant number vs trainers venues and time frames

He had quite a disregard and distaste for ( incorrect information and so called lies) from social media such as KGB and Founz. He didnt appreciate the dig at the tendencies and commonality of the nz police and nz police ass with there media efforts.

admitted the police not truly knowing firearms crime stats etc, wouldn't or couldn't be drawn in to producing numbers or any really meaning full data
Including other than being 20 years behind other government departments in technology and capability, but but running at a yearly deficient of over $5mil

so over all, putting in place solutions to a perceived problem that they have been told to fix

[Taff]

It was interesting, seats for 10 people I think.
a few people brought up ideas of required alliances to clubs and learner licences with stand down periods.

permitting and lack of consistency in regards to permitting and security to the law

lack of correct and timely communication and notification of these events

Basically no idea how the system thats coming is actually going to function including choke points of applicant number vs trainers venues and time frames

He had quite a disregard and distaste for ( incorrect information and so called lies) from social media such as KGB and Founz. He didnt appreciate the dig at the tendencies and commonality of the nz police and nz police ass with there media efforts.

admitted the police not truly knowing firearms crime stats etc, wouldn't or couldn't be drawn in to producing numbers or any really meaning full data
Including other than being 20 years behind other government departments in technology and capability, but but running at a yearly deficient of over $5mil

so over all, putting in place solutions to a perceived problem that they have been told to fix

Went last night , all the above same answers, apparently the arms act is not being changed at all, as to the deficient,The licensing system is there for the benefit of society, not the benefit of the holder, so a large proportion of the cost should be covered by the tax payer , not the applicant.

[Jexla]

Went last night , all the above same answers, apparently the arms act is not being changed at all, as to the deficient,The licensing system is there for the benefit of society, not the benefit of the holder, so a large proportion of the cost should be covered by the tax payer , not the applicant.

That's how I feel too. They claim in their report to the minister that changes need to be made to the arms act for the benefit of society then claim that FAL holders should cover the entire cost of administering these laws as they're the service users!
Zero logic to be found.

[A330driver]

Mate....thanks for the summation and reply......sounds like its the standard cluster fuck we’ve been in for years.Seriously,there are no surprises here,as others have posted,it cant be fair or transparent if your going to hide some of the chess pieces....

It was interesting, seats for 10 people I think.
a few people brought up ideas of required alliances to clubs and learner licences with stand down periods.

permitting and lack of consistency in regards to permitting and security to the law

lack of correct and timely communication and notification of these events

Basically no idea how the system thats coming is actually going to function including choke points of applicant number vs trainers venues and time frames

He had quite a disregard and distaste for ( incorrect information and so called lies) from social media such as KGB and Founz. He didnt appreciate the dig at the tendencies and commonality of the nz police and nz police ass with there media efforts.

admitted the police not truly knowing firearms crime stats etc, wouldn't or couldn't be drawn in to producing numbers or any really meaning full data
Including other than being 20 years behind other government departments in technology and capability, but but running at a yearly deficient of over $5mil

so over all, putting in place solutions to a perceived problem that they have been told to fix

[kotuku]

shit on it -Im working afternoon shift when the grey meeting is on otherwise would have trundled along and lent an ear lug.

[Russian 22.]

Heres the photos of the minutes from the Auckland meeting. 25 people turned up. Out of 1 million residents or so and how ever many people are licensed.



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