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    Why wouldnt the XO of Pistol NZ go to one of these?
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    "We addressed the elephant in the room. How were we to take their discussion of ‘communication and transparency’ seriously when they flat refused to say what they had asked the Police Minister for when updating the Arms Act.

    McIlraith dismissed the room’s concern here with a simple “Nope”. This would not be discussed."


    Does this have anything to do with the delayed Arms Code perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A330driver View Post
    That being said,I (as others) would be interested in how that discussion panned out.....thanks in advance
    It was interesting, seats for 10 people I think.
    a few people brought up ideas of required alliances to clubs and learner licences with stand down periods.

    permitting and lack of consistency in regards to permitting and security to the law

    lack of correct and timely communication and notification of these events

    Basically no idea how the system thats coming is actually going to function including choke points of applicant number vs trainers venues and time frames

    He had quite a disregard and distaste for ( incorrect information and so called lies) from social media such as KGB and Founz. He didnt appreciate the dig at the tendencies and commonality of the nz police and nz police ass with there media efforts.

    admitted the police not truly knowing firearms crime stats etc, wouldn't or couldn't be drawn in to producing numbers or any really meaning full data
    Including other than being 20 years behind other government departments in technology and capability, but but running at a yearly deficient of over $5mil

    so over all, putting in place solutions to a perceived problem that they have been told to fix
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    It is all well and good being critical of material posted by KBG and FOUNZ, but at least he/they could give some answers or information to counter what we may say. To date, many OIA requests go without a response well beyond the deadline, and are missing anything useful that could give an answer. A lot of data is poorly compiled or not recorded. Their idea of transparency is rubbish as long as they refuse to make public their submission to the last select committee, or their breifing to the incoming police minister.
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    Quote Originally Posted by striker View Post
    It was interesting, seats for 10 people I think.
    a few people brought up ideas of required alliances to clubs and learner licences with stand down periods.

    permitting and lack of consistency in regards to permitting and security to the law

    lack of correct and timely communication and notification of these events

    Basically no idea how the system thats coming is actually going to function including choke points of applicant number vs trainers venues and time frames

    He had quite a disregard and distaste for ( incorrect information and so called lies) from social media such as KGB and Founz. He didnt appreciate the dig at the tendencies and commonality of the nz police and nz police ass with there media efforts.

    admitted the police not truly knowing firearms crime stats etc, wouldn't or couldn't be drawn in to producing numbers or any really meaning full data
    Including other than being 20 years behind other government departments in technology and capability, but but running at a yearly deficient of over $5mil

    so over all, putting in place solutions to a perceived problem that they have been told to fix
    Went last night , all the above same answers, apparently the arms act is not being changed at all, as to the deficient,The licensing system is there for the benefit of society, not the benefit of the holder, so a large proportion of the cost should be covered by the tax payer , not the applicant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Went last night , all the above same answers, apparently the arms act is not being changed at all, as to the deficient,The licensing system is there for the benefit of society, not the benefit of the holder, so a large proportion of the cost should be covered by the tax payer , not the applicant.
    That's how I feel too. They claim in their report to the minister that changes need to be made to the arms act for the benefit of society then claim that FAL holders should cover the entire cost of administering these laws as they're the service users!
    Zero logic to be found.

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    License holders are not the users.....the state is,as its THEIR licensing system....we have no choice but to comply with it if we wish to remain within the law....

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    Mate....thanks for the summation and reply......sounds like its the standard cluster fuck we’ve been in for years.Seriously,there are no surprises here,as others have posted,it cant be fair or transparent if your going to hide some of the chess pieces....



    Quote Originally Posted by striker View Post
    It was interesting, seats for 10 people I think.
    a few people brought up ideas of required alliances to clubs and learner licences with stand down periods.

    permitting and lack of consistency in regards to permitting and security to the law

    lack of correct and timely communication and notification of these events

    Basically no idea how the system thats coming is actually going to function including choke points of applicant number vs trainers venues and time frames

    He had quite a disregard and distaste for ( incorrect information and so called lies) from social media such as KGB and Founz. He didnt appreciate the dig at the tendencies and commonality of the nz police and nz police ass with there media efforts.

    admitted the police not truly knowing firearms crime stats etc, wouldn't or couldn't be drawn in to producing numbers or any really meaning full data
    Including other than being 20 years behind other government departments in technology and capability, but but running at a yearly deficient of over $5mil

    so over all, putting in place solutions to a perceived problem that they have been told to fix
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    What withholding of the Police's submission details achieves is to circumvent FAL holders' ability to approach members of parliament and counter with some common sense.

    In other words, it is accepted fact that MPs listen to FAL holders.

    So we don't have NZ Police's submissions. Oh hey, safe to just do a cut and paste from NZP's previous submissions, no? (-:

    If I may add a force multiplier: keep it up with keeping the language and tone polite, especially when it gets difficult to do so.
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    yes - stay calm , repeat your question if need be , dont accept being fobbed off .

    And dont let some numpty monopolise the discussion about he is happy with his little corner of the world and fuck everyone else.There are plenty of them out there....
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    who is going to the christchurch one tuesday ?

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    Just driving to Greymouth for the west coast meeting now.

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    Heres the latest update from the Police website. Interesting for what they omitted to mention - like the general mistrust and why dont they muzzle the Police Association President ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzza View Post
    Interesting for what they omitted to mention - like the general mistrust and why dont they muzzle the Police Association President ...
    The phrase "flogging a dead horse" comes to mind.

    If you expect the NZ Police to "muzzle" the Police Association you are going to be in for a long and fruitless wait...

    Try to understand what the 2 organizations are there for, and develop (realistic and workable) strategies for dealing with them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebf View Post
    The phrase "flogging a dead horse" comes to mind.

    If you expect the NZ Police to "muzzle" the Police Association you are going to be in for a long and fruitless wait...

    Try to understand what the 2 organizations are there for, and develop (realistic and workable) strategies for dealing with them...
    Basically the association say what the police themselves cannot be seen to say.
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