Thread: Firearms Storage Inspection ....

Originally Posted by LyonRuge

I think you'll find the law says that if you endanger frighten or annoy any person, you will be deemed to be breaking the law. Ie, you can legally pot a cat with a 22 in your backyard, if you don't endanger, frighten or annoy anyone else, so it would depend on the circumstances, I wouldn't be walking through town with a loaded firearm, I think you'd have some pretty serious explaining to do.
...this is in response to the poster who claimed he could legally walk down town with a loaded gun..

I think you'll find that if you read the law, that only applies to discharging a firearm.

Originally Posted by LyonRuge

I think you'll find the law says that if you endanger frighten or annoy any person, you will be deemed to be breaking the law. Ie, you can legally pot a cat with a 22 in your backyard, if you don't endanger, frighten or annoy anyone else, so it would depend on the circumstances, I wouldn't be walking through town with a loaded firearm, I think you'd have some pretty serious explaining to do.
...this is in response to the poster who claimed he could legally walk down town with a loaded gun..

I must have missed the loaded part. Clearly walking anywhere with a loaded firearm you do not immediatly intend to destroy something with is extremely unsafe and foolish and deserves a wrist slap. If its in a public place thats probable very reasonable cause to suspend/remove the FAL. Carrying an unloaded and disabled gun in a safe manner should not cause undue alarm / stress to anyone else whos of sound and reasonable mind in IMHO. On the other hand its like fear of the boggey man, you just cant convinced the wilfully ignorant of anything to the contary they have made their mind up over. So how do we protect ourselves from the weirdos? we have to hide ourselves in quiet corners? I guess we do...is that for the best? not sure.

So if I have my gun hidden in a large black hard case while moving in public, thats OK? inside a soft carrycase that roughly the shape of a gun, thats OK? Hidden in my car boot thats OK? yet on my shoulder with the bolt and mag clearly removed thats not OK? bit of a splitting hair case IMHO. When we see the army with their LAVs with 37mm? canons on top, thats OK? so the uniform signals we are safe?

Now I dont want to frigthen or upset anyone, but what some ppl consider reasonable and waht others consider reasonable seems rather subjective.

Which reminds me I need to talk to tranzmetro and ferry on what they require..........

Originally Posted by Savage1

eg, There is nothing in law that says you can't walk through town holding a loaded and actioned rifle in your hands in plain sight if you are on your way to go shoot tin cans at a mates place, but it isn't something a fit and proper person would do. A fit and proper person would at least have it unloaded and in a bag.

Yes there is. Carry on reading.
However, you can carry an unloaded gun.

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Yes there is. Carry on reading.
However, you can carry an unloaded gun.

Really? Where? I have never seen it but then I probably haven't looked in the right places.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Yes but if people keep pushing their luck and ignoring the Arms Code, eg not storing bolt seperatly because they're to lazy, the Police may decide that they're not "fit and proper" and revoke your licence under sec 27 of the Arms Act. Then you wouldn't even be able to possess an air rifle.

If you follow the Arms Code then they could never argue that you aren't "fit and proper", if you ignore it because it isn't law then you may be giving them grounds to revoke your licence. Some small minor things just aren't worth the hassle.

You dont need anything bar being 18+ for an air rifle, so unless a judge specifically says no the police cant stop you owning one....or point me where it says otherwise please.

Originally Posted by steven

You dont need anything bar being 18+ for an air rifle, so unless a judge specifically says no the police cant stop you owning one....or point me where it says otherwise please.

Sorry, I was thinking of licences revoked because of a protection order being put in place.

A bit of a bullshit argument then

Tussock I agree on the case law issue - and being a test case is not my idea of a family picnic either.

The theme I think we're all agreed on is that there does appear to be a measure of variance in interpretation by some FAL holders, as well as AO's.

The fact that we're talking - and maintaining this as a dialogue (multilogue?), as opposed to argument means I have some optimism at the outcome.

Other threaders are correct also in bringing us back to the simple A-cat focus. The broader discussions allow us to have informed opinions, and give us an understanding of the other dynamics that cause those variances in interpretation, but we all appear to be agreed on the key principle of safety.
Si

Where it starts and finishes for me is that I just need simple clarity in my life.

It's not about trying to push boundaries, for me.

I just want a simple set of rules to follow, so they don't take my toys away... And so I don't hurt anyone.

That's not too much to ask, really, and that of a public servant, who's salary we all pay.


Tim

Tim

I wouldn't worry about it unless they come back with a failed inspection, which in return challenge it.
Your frustration along with others is understandable especially when all you have done is changed locations.

Keep us posted on outcome.

So I've done the obvious and approached the AO in question with a very simple question.

I didn't quote the arms act, but I did say that what the inspecting officer was saying seemed at odds to what the arms code required .

Yes, I know the AC is not the law, but I'm looking for a statement of position - both over the storage and the validity of using the AC

Not expecting a fast response


Tim

There really is no need for the full stop separation between the letters to write an acronym... /going off at a tangent

Well I confess all this discussion prompted me to 'tidy up' my previous everything-in-the-same-locked-cupboard system; I can now truthfully say my bolts and ammo are stored (and locked) separately to my rifles/shotties. I'm feeling almost virtuous.

Originally Posted by SiB

Well I confess all this discussion prompted me to 'tidy up' my previous everything-in-the-same-locked-cupboard system; I can now truthfully say my bolts and ammo are stored (and locked) separately to my rifles/shotties. I'm feeling almost virtuous.

Well if he calls on me I'll send him to you!lol

I received a response to my email from the :
"Advisor: Firearms Licensing" attached to the Office of the Commissioner at National Police HQ

Sounds like the right guy to talk to.

He advised that Reg. 19 has not changed and that if my security complies to Reg. 19 then it should be accepted.

He's seems a reasonable and approachable guy, and responds well to a straight, succinct question.

regards


Tim