Thread: Firearms Storage Inspection ....

Originally Posted by steven

You dont need anything bar being 18+ for an air rifle, so unless a judge specifically says no the police cant stop you owning one....or point me where it says otherwise please.

Sorry, I was thinking of licences revoked because of a protection order being put in place.

Originally Posted by Savage1

eg, There is nothing in law that says you can't walk through town holding a loaded and actioned rifle in your hands in plain sight if you are on your way to go shoot tin cans at a mates place, but it isn't something a fit and proper person would do. A fit and proper person would at least have it unloaded and in a bag.

The Q is what is considered a reasonable action. Funnily enough I had just this discusion last night, its almost like smokers who are now considered unclean and need to hide away in a quite out of sight corner.

For instance,

When you look at the guy who shot the Austrian/Hungrian aire that resulted in WW1, he apparently undertook pistol practice with others in a public park and that was a non-event or a normal thing to do circa 100 years ago. Theses days some ppl think guns are wrong no matter what and if they see them they will fill their underpants and ring the police. Or that 100 years ago a target shooting event was considered a great social event to be attended.

Or the recent condemnation by some of someone humanely killing a cat or dog to eat, or selling thier pelt yet no one bats an eye over a pig, chicken or cow (well ok except vegans) and wearing leather shoes is perfectly normal.

doh....

So my point is we are starting to talk about social norms and not (necessarily) law. Now sure if I walk down the street with a loaded gun over my shoulder its going to end badly for me but is that really my fault or the fault of the ppl who see me and need an underwear change?

Originally Posted by steven

The Q is what is considered a reasonable action. Funnily enough I had just this discusion last night, its almost like smokers who are now considered unclean and need to hide away in a quite out of sight corner.

For instance,

When you look at the guy who shot the Austrian/Hungrian aire that resulted in WW1, he apparently undertook pistol practice with others in a public park and that was a non-event or a normal thing to do circa 100 years ago. Theses days some ppl think guns are wrong no matter what and if they see them they will fill their underpants and ring the police. Or that 100 years ago a target shooting event was considered a great social event to be attended.

Or the recent condemnation by some of someone humanely killing a cat or dog to eat, or selling thier pelt yet no one bats an eye over a pig, chicken or cow (well ok except vegans) and wearing leather shoes is perfectly normal.

doh....

So my point is we are starting to talk about social norms and not (necessarily) law. Now sure if I walk down the street with a loaded gun over my shoulder its going to end badly for me but is that really my fault or the fault of the ppl who see me and need an underwear change?

Nope it would be your fault as you could reasonably see the consequences of your actions but decided to carry on anyway. I understand what you're saying and agree in part with it but society has changed and we must adapt with it, irrational or not. Actually you could probably call that example disorderly behaviour or breach of the peace.

On a lighter note, I've walked across that bridge where Franz Ferdinand was shot. One hell of an eye opener walking through that city with a local.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Nope it would be your fault as you could reasonably see the consequences of your actions but decided to carry on anyway. I understand what you're saying and agree in part with it but society has changed and we must adapt with it, irrational or not. Actually you could probably call that example disorderly behaviour or breach of the peace.

Breach of the peace? disorderly behavior ? I think you are stretching it way over the top. I agree society has indeed changed and therefore what was normal and everyday actions 100 years ago is now not consider so in some places. Maybe its that some of us are so disconnected from our surroundings that the struggle to survive has become moot. I mean if I walked down a native ppls vilage main drag carrying a gun over my shoulder, would anyone bat an eylid? I suggest not. Most are probably going to be carrying and posses their own weapons with great need and pride. In the US ppl can legally carry concealed weapons, have guns racked in 4wd trucks even 5 or so and no one bats an eye lid. So is NZ and a few other places being overly sensitive? I just wonder.

Where it starts and finishes for me is that I just need simple clarity in my life.

It's not about trying to push boundaries, for me.

I just want a simple set of rules to follow, so they don't take my toys away... And so I don't hurt anyone.

That's not too much to ask, really, and that of a public servant, who's salary we all pay.


Tim

Originally Posted by Savage1

What would Polices "own benefit" be? Enforcing the law and protecting the citizens I would presume, I'm unaware of anything else they would have to gain, they aren't a business, there are no profits.

Power - it can be personal vindictiveness, organizational, or societal control. Don't get me wrong, I have the utmost respect for individuals wearing the uniform, but just like any other organization, the Police itself is not perfect and does not always act for the public good.

Originally Posted by SiB

The fact that we're talking - and maintaining this as a dialogue (multilogue?), as opposed to argument means I have some optimism at the outcome.

Tim

I wouldn't worry about it unless they come back with a failed inspection, which in return challenge it.
Your frustration along with others is understandable especially when all you have done is changed locations.

Keep us posted on outcome.

So I've done the obvious and approached the AO in question with a very simple question.

I didn't quote the arms act, but I did say that what the inspecting officer was saying seemed at odds to what the arms code required .

Yes, I know the AC is not the law, but I'm looking for a statement of position - both over the storage and the validity of using the AC

Not expecting a fast response


Tim

I think you'll find the law says that if you endanger frighten or annoy any person, you will be deemed to be breaking the law. Ie, you can legally pot a cat with a 22 in your backyard, if you don't endanger, frighten or annoy anyone else, so it would depend on the circumstances, I wouldn't be walking through town with a loaded firearm, I think you'd have some pretty serious explaining to do.
...this is in response to the poster who claimed he could legally walk down town with a loaded gun..

Originally Posted by LyonRuge

I think you'll find the law says that if you endanger frighten or annoy any person, you will be deemed to be breaking the law. Ie, you can legally pot a cat with a 22 in your backyard, if you don't endanger, frighten or annoy anyone else, so it would depend on the circumstances, I wouldn't be walking through town with a loaded firearm, I think you'd have some pretty serious explaining to do.
...this is in response to the poster who claimed he could legally walk down town with a loaded gun..

I think you'll find that if you read the law, that only applies to discharging a firearm.

this is from the POL67/K(S) Police security report form.
no mention of bolt at all, only that ammunition must be stored separately.

There really is no need for the full stop separation between the letters to write an acronym... /going off at a tangent

Originally Posted by Haydendev

this is from the POL67/K(S) Police security report form.
no mention of bolt at all, only that ammunition must be stored separately.

do you happen to have any online links or more photos of the storage inspection booklet?

i can take photos of the rest of it and post it up if u like

Originally Posted by striker

do you happen to have any online links or more photos of the storage inspection booklet?

Well I confess all this discussion prompted me to 'tidy up' my previous everything-in-the-same-locked-cupboard system; I can now truthfully say my bolts and ammo are stored (and locked) separately to my rifles/shotties. I'm feeling almost virtuous.