Thread: Firearms storage question - shotgun forend removal

Jakewire I can use all 3 types without forestock.

Sure, keep your bolts separate as some inspectors may recommmend - then when you have the wrong bolt for your rifle will they come along and put it right for you?

Some guys get bent over so often that they make it sound like it's yoga and we should all be doing it - no fuckin thanks

Why the fuck should we put ourselves out just to conform to something that isn't even the law? On what planet is it right that some civil servant should tell you how to live your life?

In my opinion the Police's moral authority to tell you how to store your firearms beyond the letter of the law went out the window as soon as they started shafting us with their secret submissions and their agenda to register all firearms


They just plain aren't up to the job

Originally Posted by 308

Sure, keep your bolts separate as some inspectors may recommmend - then when you have the wrong bolt for your rifle will they come along and put it right for you?

Some guys get bent over so often that they make it sound like it's yoga and we should all be doing it - no fuckin thanks

Why the fuck should we put ourselves out just to conform to something that isn't even the law? On what planet is it right that some civil servant should tell you how to live your life?

In my opinion the Police's moral authority to tell you how to store your firearms beyond the letter of the law went out the window as soon as they started shafting us with their secret submissions and their agenda to register all firearms


They just plain aren't up to the job

Because on their planet they get to make the law up as they go. This it what Cahill wants.....

Lets Clarify here, when you talk of break action shotguns you talk about single barrel, Under and Over and Side By Side
Have I got this correct.

well for as long as Ive had my licence (25+ years) you have been "supposed" to store firearms and ammo seperately and if possible take bolts out etc to make then unusable..... even if its NOT a legal requirement it makes sense.
if someone manages to open you cabinet they arent in posession of entire working firearm...a triggerlock works on semis/pumps and yes you can use break open guns without the forestock....
growing up I had a young cousin get hold of the 6.5x55mm rifle from insecure storage and shot his younger sister dead inside the family home..... NOBODY EVER wants to go through that and prevention is simple to do.....

I had my vetting earlier this year, opened the safe, the Auto right next to the U/O all forends on firearms, nothing mentioned to me
Never heard the like actually.

page 12 2017 arms code booklet 3rd and 4th line
WHEREVER POSSIBLE, STORE AMMUNITION SEPARATELY,AND DISABLE THE FIREARM
next line reads
if possible remove the bolt and magazine and lock away seperately from the firearm.
go down another 4 lines ...break open types can be dismantled.
pretty plurry black n white I thought...............

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

page 12 2017 arms code booklet 3rd and 4th line
WHEREVER POSSIBLE, STORE AMMUNITION SEPARATELY,AND DISABLE THE FIREARM
next line reads
if possible remove the bolt and magazine and lock away seperately from the firearm.
go down another 4 lines ...break open types can be dismantled.
pretty plurry black n white I thought...............

The 2017 Arms Code booklet has been withdrawn. The NZ Police website currently refers to the 2013 Arms Code book which states:
The Arms Regulations require these minimum standards
when storing your firearm:
• Ammunition must be stored separately or the firearm
made incapable of firing.
– If possible, remove the bolt and magazine and lock away
separately from the firearm.
– Make sure both the chamber and the magazine are empty.
– For lever, pump or semi-automatic firearms, you may not
be able to remove the action. Break-open types can be
dismantled.
– Trigger-locking devices are recommended for firearms
which cannot be taken apart.

The key is the word "or" in the sentence "Ammunition must be stored separately or the firearm
made incapable of firing."
Store your ammo separately and keep your firearm in one piece.

So we store the Break opens in three different places now
The ones the trigger group drops out of we can store in 4 different places, What fun.

Damn, just remembered how easy it was to change to a timney trigger in the last Remington I bought so Maybe...
Scopes off naturally especially on those rifles with no open sights, ...oh, Hang on......

when you park your car in garage do you remove your car keys????
its not that plurry hard to poke your foreneds in your sock drawer and your bolts in your jocks drawer is it?????

yip duckdog it does say that.... and then in th very next line in BOTH booklets it says, to dissable if possible/remove bolt..... its so easy to do and makes it so much harder for baddie to use why wouldnt you do so????
again do you remove car keys when you park in garage????

The original question was:
"Just had my security checked and the inspector told me that break action shotguns must be stored without forends attached. I have never seen nor heard of this through multiple inspections. Is this true?"

That is not required by the Arms Act and clearly incorrect.

There are lots of things you can do to improve security however that is a personal decision, not a legal requirement.

(and living in the country we leave the keys in all our vehicles and I have no idea where the house keys are!)

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

again do you remove car keys when you park in garage????

No, but I don't remove the engine in case someone steals it either.

Ok so from my own reading and opinions on here, am I right in saying it isn't in the legislation, anywhere?

Originally Posted by Pointer

Ok so from my own reading and opinions on here, am I right in saying it isn't in the legislation, anywhere?

No, it is not. Unless you store the firearm with ammunition (or have a restricted weapon), you do not need to disable the firearm.

19 Conditions relating to security precautions
(1) Every firearms licence shall be subject to the following conditions:
(a) the holder shall not put a firearm in such a place that a young child has ready access to it:
(b) the holder, where he or she has both a firearm and ammunition for it in his or her possession, either—
(i) shall take reasonable steps to ensure that the ammunition is not stored in such a way that a person who obtains access to the firearm also obtains access to the ammunition; or
(ii) shall ensure that, where the ammunition is stored with the firearm, the firearm is not capable of being discharged:
(c) the holder shall take reasonable steps to ensure that any firearm in the holder’s possession is secured against theft:
(d) the holder shall, where he or she has possession of a firearm that is—
(i) a flare pistol; or
(ii) a humane killer; or
(iii) a stock marking pistol,—
keep it in a locked container, except where it is under the holder’s immediate and personal supervision.
(2) On and after 1 July 1993 the reasonable steps required by subclause (1)(c) shall include—
(a) keeping on the holder’s premises—
(i) a lockable cabinet, container, or receptacle of stout construction in which firearms may be stored; or
(ii) a lockable steel and concrete strongroom in which firearms may be stored; or
(iii) a display cabinet or rack in which firearms may be immobilised and locked so that none of them may be fired; and
(b) keeping locked or immobilised and locked in the cabinet, container, receptacle, strongroom, display cabinet, or rack required by paragraph (a) every firearm which is on the holder’s premises and which is not under immediate and personal supervision of the holder or some other holder of a firearms licence; and
(c) ensuring that no firearm in the holder’s possession is left in a vehicle that is unattended.


However, you need to look at what the best security is for your situation, not just the minimum requirements. If they are secured in an actual gun safe, I would see little need to disassemble them.