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    Quote Originally Posted by Pointer View Post
    The guy came across as a pedantic non hunting or shooting volunteer who wouldn't understand the grey areas in the wording. He is looking for absolutes, black and whites. So I'll give him one. Is it in the legislation?
    I would suggest calling the AO, i had a case when I was inspected that he (the inspector) wanted serial numbers. He was being quite a twat about it. I called the local AO and it was cleared up over the phone as not being required by law, and the local AO handled it from there. No idea what he said to the inspector but not had an issue since
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    Sure, keep your bolts separate as some inspectors may recommmend - then when you have the wrong bolt for your rifle will they come along and put it right for you?

    Some guys get bent over so often that they make it sound like it's yoga and we should all be doing it - no fuckin thanks

    Why the fuck should we put ourselves out just to conform to something that isn't even the law? On what planet is it right that some civil servant should tell you how to live your life?

    In my opinion the Police's moral authority to tell you how to store your firearms beyond the letter of the law went out the window as soon as they started shafting us with their secret submissions and their agenda to register all firearms


    They just plain aren't up to the job
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    Quote Originally Posted by 308 View Post
    Sure, keep your bolts separate as some inspectors may recommmend - then when you have the wrong bolt for your rifle will they come along and put it right for you?

    Some guys get bent over so often that they make it sound like it's yoga and we should all be doing it - no fuckin thanks

    Why the fuck should we put ourselves out just to conform to something that isn't even the law? On what planet is it right that some civil servant should tell you how to live your life?

    In my opinion the Police's moral authority to tell you how to store your firearms beyond the letter of the law went out the window as soon as they started shafting us with their secret submissions and their agenda to register all firearms


    They just plain aren't up to the job
    Because on their planet they get to make the law up as they go. This it what Cahill wants.....
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    in all my vettings both as a licence holder and a security referee i have never had any adverse complaints.
    my rationale -If your eyes are too close together you do NOT get anywhere near my secure facility -as yet im yet to find a set of vetting eyes far enough apart that makes me search my keyrting -which has more keys than the bloody tower of london!! my current guy loves it when i tel him of my ultimate security measure
    the wife who softly says to crim-"Is it roses ill be putting on your coffin!!".yup get on the wrong side of her indoors and its a distinctly unforgettable experience. mind you my current one is an extraffic cop turned copper now retired and as he says most preople whom he vets who have military experience are pretty conscientious about fireams safetyand if he does spot something ,usually a quiet word suffices.
    i suspect some contractors may be infatuated witgh the postion.
    incidentally anyone know whats required training wise to become a firearms vettor.Ive had this guy and anothewr rather pleasent petite young lass who was ex airforce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky Duck View Post
    again do you remove car keys when you park in garage????
    No, but I don't remove the engine in case someone steals it either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pointer View Post
    Ok so from my own reading and opinions on here, am I right in saying it isn't in the legislation, anywhere?
    No, it is not. Unless you store the firearm with ammunition (or have a restricted weapon), you do not need to disable the firearm.

    19 Conditions relating to security precautions
    (1) Every firearms licence shall be subject to the following conditions:
    (a) the holder shall not put a firearm in such a place that a young child has ready access to it:
    (b) the holder, where he or she has both a firearm and ammunition for it in his or her possession, either—
    (i) shall take reasonable steps to ensure that the ammunition is not stored in such a way that a person who obtains access to the firearm also obtains access to the ammunition; or
    (ii) shall ensure that, where the ammunition is stored with the firearm, the firearm is not capable of being discharged:
    (c) the holder shall take reasonable steps to ensure that any firearm in the holder’s possession is secured against theft:
    (d) the holder shall, where he or she has possession of a firearm that is—
    (i) a flare pistol; or
    (ii) a humane killer; or
    (iii) a stock marking pistol,—
    keep it in a locked container, except where it is under the holder’s immediate and personal supervision.
    (2) On and after 1 July 1993 the reasonable steps required by subclause (1)(c) shall include—
    (a) keeping on the holder’s premises—
    (i) a lockable cabinet, container, or receptacle of stout construction in which firearms may be stored; or
    (ii) a lockable steel and concrete strongroom in which firearms may be stored; or
    (iii) a display cabinet or rack in which firearms may be immobilised and locked so that none of them may be fired; and
    (b) keeping locked or immobilised and locked in the cabinet, container, receptacle, strongroom, display cabinet, or rack required by paragraph (a) every firearm which is on the holder’s premises and which is not under immediate and personal supervision of the holder or some other holder of a firearms licence; and
    (c) ensuring that no firearm in the holder’s possession is left in a vehicle that is unattended.



    However, you need to look at what the best security is for your situation, not just the minimum requirements. If they are secured in an actual gun safe, I would see little need to disassemble them.

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    As an aside. I'm moving out from my flat and moving back home. Do I need to open the safe for the vetting officer? I know that registering serial numbers is voluntary which I'm not going to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russian 22. View Post
    As an aside. I'm moving out from my flat and moving back home. Do I need to open the safe for the vetting officer? I know that registering serial numbers is voluntary which I'm not going to do.

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    Np you do not need to open your safe at all. I had a vetter ask me to open my safe, I asked why ? its not in the law. That was the end of our discussion on that topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy79 View Post
    Np you do not need to open your safe at all. I had a vetter ask me to open my safe, I asked why ? its not in the law. That was the end of our discussion on that topic
    Thanks paddy

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    Most of the inspectors and vettors aren't sworn police. Most I have had dealings with have been civilians contracted by the police to to that work.
    The 1 guy that has been round the most, is a retired policeman and is a dottery old bugger but easy to deal with. Hes straight up, but some of the others in this area (12-13 of them) are known to be a bit hard to deal with
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    Thank you @Koshogi , I thought not.
    @cambo this guy is also my postie. Go figure
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    The Vetting Guide . The one the officer has and is filling out when he or she questions you for your Firearm licence asks Quote: Confirm that firearm(s) safety parts (bolt , magazine , breach block, shotgun forelock), are stored separate from firearm(s)
    Same vetting file they have been using for about 7 years. Some officers are just more practical than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy79 View Post
    Np you do not need to open your safe at all. I had a vetter ask me to open my safe, I asked why ? its not in the law. That was the end of our discussion on that topic
    I would dispute that.
    If they need to verify that the safe secured in the approved way, then they would need access to the inside. Which is quite reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7mmwsm View Post
    I would dispute that.
    If they need to verify that the safe secured in the approved way, then they would need access to the inside. Which is quite reasonable.
    Wrong!! There is no requirement to secure a "lockable cabinet, container, or receptacle of stout construction in which firearms may be stored;" in the act or the regulations. The requirement to secure the police approved container by a police approved method to the building only applies to endorsed firearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWB View Post
    Wrong!! There is no requirement to secure a "lockable cabinet, container, or receptacle of stout construction in which firearms may be stored;" in the act or the regulations. The requirement to secure the police approved container by a police approved method to the building only applies to endorsed firearms.
    Well you learn something every day.
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