Thread: Firearms storage question - shotgun forend removal

The police will talk about the “test of reasonableness”

IMHO it is in every gun owners personal interest to secure their weapons and ammunition as secure as is reasonably possible in their physical circumstances.

The goal being to have a measure of confidence that if a thief/burglar etc attempts to steal said item, it’s as difficult as possible.

We all also want to be regarded as “compliant” within the FAL application and renewal process.

My point being that security of property, particularly firearms and ammunition must be seen (and demonstrated) as a whole process; we should not get bogged down in the minutiae of where the forearm part is, or if it’s separate; it’s is in our own interests to consistently demonstrate that we are always security conscious, and we all want to make the theft or improper use of our firearms as difficult as possible.

The answer to any superfluous or seemingly pedantic question is to answer and emphasise the positive steps we have taken; don’t fall into the trap of answering a narrow question (eg are the fore pieces separate) with a negative answer. It isn’t about what we haven’t done, it’s about what we HAVE done to keep our firearms, ammunition secure.

End of story.

Originally Posted by SiB

We all also want to be regarded as “compliant” within the FAL application and renewal process.

Yes, there is being "compliant" and then there is also being bullied.

The guy came across as a pedantic non hunting or shooting volunteer who wouldn't understand the grey areas in the wording. He is looking for absolutes, black and whites. So I'll give him one. Is it in the legislation?

Originally Posted by Pointer

The guy came across as a pedantic non hunting or shooting volunteer who wouldn't understand the grey areas in the wording. He is looking for absolutes, black and whites. So I'll give him one. Is it in the legislation?

I would suggest calling the AO, i had a case when I was inspected that he (the inspector) wanted serial numbers. He was being quite a twat about it. I called the local AO and it was cleared up over the phone as not being required by law, and the local AO handled it from there. No idea what he said to the inspector but not had an issue since

in all my vettings both as a licence holder and a security referee i have never had any adverse complaints.
my rationale -If your eyes are too close together you do NOT get anywhere near my secure facility -as yet im yet to find a set of vetting eyes far enough apart that makes me search my keyrting -which has more keys than the bloody tower of london!! my current guy loves it when i tel him of my ultimate security measure
the wife who softly says to crim-"Is it roses ill be putting on your coffin!!".yup get on the wrong side of her indoors and its a distinctly unforgettable experience. mind you my current one is an extraffic cop turned copper now retired and as he says most preople whom he vets who have military experience are pretty conscientious about fireams safetyand if he does spot something ,usually a quiet word suffices.
i suspect some contractors may be infatuated witgh the postion.
incidentally anyone know whats required training wise to become a firearms vettor.Ive had this guy and anothewr rather pleasent petite young lass who was ex airforce.

As an aside. I'm moving out from my flat and moving back home. Do I need to open the safe for the vetting officer? I know that registering serial numbers is voluntary which I'm not going to do.

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Originally Posted by Russian 22.

As an aside. I'm moving out from my flat and moving back home. Do I need to open the safe for the vetting officer? I know that registering serial numbers is voluntary which I'm not going to do.

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Np you do not need to open your safe at all. I had a vetter ask me to open my safe, I asked why ? its not in the law. That was the end of our discussion on that topic

Originally Posted by Paddy79

Np you do not need to open your safe at all. I had a vetter ask me to open my safe, I asked why ? its not in the law. That was the end of our discussion on that topic

Thanks paddy

Most of the inspectors and vettors aren't sworn police. Most I have had dealings with have been civilians contracted by the police to to that work.
The 1 guy that has been round the most, is a retired policeman and is a dottery old bugger but easy to deal with. Hes straight up, but some of the others in this area (12-13 of them) are known to be a bit hard to deal with

Thank you @Koshogi , I thought not.
@cambo this guy is also my postie. Go figure

The Vetting Guide . The one the officer has and is filling out when he or she questions you for your Firearm licence asks Quote: Confirm that firearm(s) safety parts (bolt , magazine , breach block, shotgun forelock), are stored separate from firearm(s)
Same vetting file they have been using for about 7 years. Some officers are just more practical than others.

Originally Posted by Tasbay

The Vetting Guide . The one the officer has and is filling out when he or she questions you for your Firearm licence asks Quote: Confirm that firearm(s) safety parts (bolt , magazine , breach block, shotgun forelock), are stored separate from firearm(s)
Same vetting file they have been using for about 7 years. Some officers are just more practical than others.

He showed me that also. Noted the word forelock. I thought that was horse terminology?

Originally Posted by Pointer

He showed me that also. Noted the word forelock. I thought that was horse terminology?

No that's a Fetlock.

Stout Cabinet or box : Fixing: bolted or secured to wall and / or floor. Can be both or one or other. No demand to dynabolt to floor. Firearm officers if they are decent want to check the firearms are in the category of licence you hold IE: no E-cat firearms in a A-cat security was a few issues with that with the E-cat became A-cat and then back to E-cat debacle. Also just to check security has been reasonably secured to building.