Thread: OUCH

"so mondern mental health aint shortland fucking street -its more trying to sortout the best deal for some poor bugger whilst fending off myriads of knowalls."

Kotuku, I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your words. T'were I could have half your goodness. My wife would say "Good Heart".

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Whilst I have no wish to enter an argument over the death of anyone, I would like to make one observation.

Some, who would champion the rights of unlimited freedom, to have and do and be, whatsoever, they hold as dear, without any direction, control, censorship, moderation or other interference, are the first, it seems, to scream - blue murder (geddit?) - when the authorities, don't have the victim, under 24 hour, second by second, video and in person, surveillance with Police, medical staff, lawyers and ethical advisors in attendance .

Originally Posted by MarkN

"so mondern mental health aint shortland fucking street -its more trying to sortout the best deal for some poor bugger whilst fending off myriads of knowalls."

Kotuku, I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your words. T'were I could have half your goodness. My wife would say "Good Heart".

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Whilst I have no wish to enter an argument over the death of anyone, I would like to make one observation.

Some, who would champion the rights of unlimited freedom, to have and do and be, whatsoever, they hold as dear, without any direction, control, censorship, moderation or other interference, are the first, it seems, to scream - blue murder (geddit?) - when the authorities, don't have the victim, under 24 hour, second by second, video and in person, surveillance with Police, medical staff, lawyers and ethical advisors in attendance .

You are 100%right .

In fact within mental health law-"code of rights" -even the most acutely unwell person has the "RIGHT TO WITHDRAW CONSENT TO TREATMENT AT ANY TIME" and normally aint nowt we can do about it .
However(and its a decision made at a much higher level than me) this can be overridden in extenuating circumstances -but that decision requires precise documentation for reasons previously explained.
'Persons committed to psychiatric hospitals have full legal rights we even have a lawyer "District Inspector' on call 24/7/365 free of charge for them and they can apply to have any lawyer represent them in legal hearings re status at NO COST TO THEMSELVES(usually under the stewardship of District inspector in 1st instance)
That lawyer/DI can go anywhere speak to any staff or sight any documents -to hinder them is a sackable offence under law!


Only 2 revocations can be done -removal of Drivers License by Responsible Clinician (doc in charge) for duration of committed status- upon same lapsing and provided persons skills assessed as competent application made to secretary LTSA to reinstate .
The other is FAL-ive been involved in 3x revokations ,alas in one case a family member got to police first and later the person concerned suicided by firearm,as did another though we'd permanently revoked his (MO-12g shell in a bit of galvanised pipe in vice with hammer and punch to fire the round)-that gives new meaning to creativity in its darkest sense.

legal wise my bugbear is its(REVOKE FAL) not enshrined within the mental health act unlike DL

Psychiatry is a fraud -one L Ron Hubbard and his "church of scientology" has this as a basic tenet of their philosophy as they assume mental illness is a non starter full stop. they are but one of many who for various reasons subscribe to this POV.