Thread: Breeding and its finer points

Originally Posted by el borracho

winning dogs in pointer and setter come from hunting breeding homes to a greater degree so I think your point is incorrect

Holy cow!!! we have not long been told off for snakes and ladders in the dog department and here you go again... I am sure you start these threads just for the fun of aggravation...so my point is incorrect?...it IS MY OPINION....BASED ON PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE..as I say silver and satin mean nought to me...but I will take a dog from a man or woman who HUNTS THEIR HUNTING DOGS, SHOOTS BIRDS OVER THEIR BIRD DOGS...IT IS THEIR PASSION FOR THE BREED, THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE BREED STANDARD, THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE FORMATION...

edited to add...you have quoted me in your post...the illustrious trial dogs behind mine were trialed yes, the real passion of the breeders lay in HUNTING...mostly woodcock...

Originally Posted by EeeBees

Holy cow!!! we have not long been told off for snakes and ladders in the dog department and here you go again... I am sure you start these threads just for the fun of aggravation...so my point is incorrect?...it IS MY OPINION....BASED ON PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE..as I say silver and satin mean nought to me...but I will take a dog from a man or woman who HUNTS THEIR HUNTING DOGS, SHOOTS BIRDS OVER THEIR BIRD DOGS...IT IS THEIR PASSION FOR THE BREED, THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE BREED STANDARD, THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE FORMATION...

edited to add...you have quoted me in your post...the illustrious trial dogs behind mine were trialed yes, the real passion of the breeders lay in HUNTING...mostly woodcock...

I agree with everything you say, except the bit about the breed standard... breed standards have NEVER improved a breed and defy anyone to show me where it has.... Breed Standards from cockerels, to pigeons, cattle and dogs, destroy breeds purpose... the rest is unequivocally where the breeding dogs rests... nice post!

Originally Posted by Ruff

I agree with everything you say, except the bit about the breed standard... breed standards have NEVER improved a breed and defy anyone to show me where it has.... Breed Standards from cockerels, to pigeons, cattle and dogs, destroy breeds purpose... the rest is unequivocally where the breeding dogs rests... nice post!

I mean, Ruff, it is my heartfelt and utter passion and endeavour for my dogs to maintain the form of the breed...

Originally Posted by EeeBees

I mean, Ruff, it is my heartfelt and utter passion and endeavor for my dogs to maintain the form of the breed...

good endeavor to aim for Victoria !!!

Originally Posted by el borracho

good endeavor to aim for Victoria !!!

it is already achieved...

Originally Posted by EeeBees

I mean, Ruff, it is my heartfelt and utter passion and endeavour for my dogs to maintain the form of the breed...

I absolutely agree with that, and I can demonstrate how a written standard doesn;t achieve that.... I agree with type, form and confirmation etc etc... and it is done, but knowledgeable dog people without any need for any NZKC written (flawed) piece of paper judged by an overweight woman from buttfuck Idaho or one from the country of origin... it only requires passionate people, with no agenda... and they exist... standards were created by people to ensure others bred dogs like theirs, not better dogs.

and yes ELB loves to provoke.....

Originally Posted by Ruff

and yes ELB loves to provoke.....

I do not !!!
Whats your thoughts on mating Ruff -how close to the dogs or bitches other family members .

EEs Bees I wonder If Robyn Gaskin breeds with her most winning dogs to others or goes to some Hunter in the corner of the farm and uses his dogs ??? my point really

Originally Posted by el borracho

I do not !!!
Whats your thoughts on mating Ruff -how close to the dogs or bitches other family members .

EEs Bees I wonder If Robyn Gaskin breeds with her most winning dogs to others or goes to some Hunter in the corner of the farm and uses his dogs ??? my point really

Again , Leon describes this in his book when he chose to use Bills dog as sire on a litter