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    https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketpl...ing/3046139885

    Have a crack at this Lyman press, try and snake the auction in the last minute. Looks old but will no doubt last longer then most of us.
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    @Remmodel7, I have a set of Hornady 6.5 Grendel dies listed on TradeMe currently with a bonus neck sizing die.

    PM me if you'd be interested.
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    A very good book to have while starting out is Modern Reloading (2nd Edition) by Richard Lee. It is not too expensive and readily available. It does bias towards Lee gear (naturally) but is a worthwhile addition to the loading bench for a newcomer and experienced reloader for that matter.

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    I will probably be completely flamed for this @Remmodel7, but a cheap way to start reloading is with a Classic Lee Loader.

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    It doesn't get much simpler or cheaper than this.
    I have this thing that if I have a caliber that I use, I like the idea of having a re-loader that I can take bush with me without having to worry about scales, electricity or work bench.....bit of a 'Prepper' mentality. Currently I have .308, .243 and recently purchased .223 so naturally I then went and bought a Lee Loader for the .223

    Have just put it to the test today and done a sample run of 6 rounds. I used the Lee measuring spoon and used a factory PPU round to judge the AOL.
    These are my results.

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    I have loaded up some 50gr V-Max using H4895
    The load data from the Lee Modern Reloading Manual called for a powder charge between 25gr to 27.5gr
    I cheated and after I filled each measuring spoon I put it on the scales just to check it. I consistently got 25.9gr with a variation of less than 0.1gr either side. I am now sufficently happy with my spoon technique not to have to weigh it each spoon load in the future.
    .223 max AOL is 2.260 inches, the min AOL for this load is 2.210 inches. I set the die up using the factory round for reference using an eye-o-meter and managed a consistent AOL of 2.224 inches.

    I now have but to take them to the range and test the rounds. I don't have a chronograph but am more interested in a good consistant grouping.

    I have the reloading table with all the loading gear I need but I just like to have a very simple and easy and reliabe-consistant way to reload if needed.....that 'Prepper' side of me again.

    Oh, and the price of the Classic Lee Loader??? $68.00 or there abouts.

    Anyway, my 2 cents worth as to how one can start reloading very cheaply......I will now let other....and most likely more experienced and better informed.....forum members tell you why you shouldn't look at this option.

    Cheers
    Phil
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    @Phil_H
    MD will get warm fuzzies with your above post.

    I'm hopefully a reasonably experienced handloader now (but still learning) but certainly won't criticise your method/equipment.
    Sure, I've got lots of good gear now but I am at a stage in life when I can afford it, even the shit that is probably not 100% essential.

    The outlay for your kit is low and even lower if buying second hand and if the hobby turns out to not be your cup of tea you can usually recover your full outlay by on-selling.

    However, I started out and loaded for many years using a second hand Lyman 310 hand tool (there was one for sale recently on the forum). Almost as basic as your Lee. It produced very good ammo, but slowly.

    Like your gear I couldn't FLS but only did that every 4-5 loads and used a mate's press and FLSing die for that.

    Still have my 12 g Lee shotgun kit somewhere as well and that produced good shells.

    I don't know about going bush with my old Lyman 310 but mine did travel to South Africa and back. A mate went to SA TR Champs there a few years back and took my Lyman 310 tool and seater die with him. He loaded long here in NZ and seated to his final depth every evening before the next day's shoot using my 310.

    If going straight into more expensive options (presses etc) though I have firm views around getting better gear straight up. Doesn't need to be brand new, nothing wrong with well cared for second hand. With a bit more dosh involved than a basic Lee Loader you don't want to buy a press that doesn't future proof your potentially heavier cartridge loadings of the future. A smashed alloy press, even if cheapish is still a significant loss of $s when you have to turn around and replace it.
    I couldn't imagine your Lee Loader ever breaking.
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    I can just see you bugging out to the bush carting all your dies brass powder primers and rifles.
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    Loaded hundreds of rounds in 223 as a teenager ,great but of kit did have one primer go off heavy cycle wash for Mum the next day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_H View Post
    I will probably be completely flamed for this @Remmodel7, but a cheap way to start reloading is with a Classic Lee Loader.

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    It doesn't get much simpler or cheaper than this.
    I have this thing that if I have a caliber that I use, I like the idea of having a re-loader that I can take bush with me without having to worry about scales, electricity or work bench.....bit of a 'Prepper' mentality. Currently I have .308, .243 and recently purchased .223 so naturally I then went and bought a Lee Loader for the .223

    Have just put it to the test today and done a sample run of 6 rounds. I used the Lee measuring spoon and used a factory PPU round to judge the AOL.
    These are my results.

    Attachment 165116

    I have loaded up some 50gr V-Max using H4895
    The load data from the Lee Modern Reloading Manual called for a powder charge between 25gr to 27.5gr
    I cheated and after I filled each measuring spoon I put it on the scales just to check it. I consistently got 25.9gr with a variation of less than 0.1gr either side. I am now sufficently happy with my spoon technique not to have to weigh it each spoon load in the future.
    .223 max AOL is 2.260 inches, the min AOL for this load is 2.210 inches. I set the die up using the factory round for reference using an eye-o-meter and managed a consistent AOL of 2.224 inches.

    I now have but to take them to the range and test the rounds. I don't have a chronograph but am more interested in a good consistant grouping.

    I have the reloading table with all the loading gear I need but I just like to have a very simple and easy and reliabe-consistant way to reload if needed.....that 'Prepper' side of me again.

    Oh, and the price of the Classic Lee Loader??? $68.00 or there abouts.

    Anyway, my 2 cents worth as to how one can start reloading very cheaply......I will now let other....and most likely more experienced and better informed.....forum members tell you why you shouldn't look at this option.

    Cheers
    Phil
    Greetings Phil, Mickey Duck and All,
    Don't disagree with you at all. The Lee Loader can turn out excellent ammunition given care. It is how I load my .303 rifles. My loads are light so will likely never need FL sizing but also have a vice FL sizing die. A little trick you may wish to try as your cases get a little snug is to fire a low pressure load in them. You might need another scoop for this. Or you can make one out of a .223 case and a bit of wire. I have not tried this in a .223 but have in my .308. 38 to 40 grains of AR2206H behind a 150 grain projectile in a tight case produces a case that chambers easily. Around 22 grains of AR2206H behind the 55 grain or lighter should do the trick in the .223. Still should be OK for shooting rabbits. I found my .223 rifles need a shorter than standard AOL for the recent Hornady projectiles so take your kit to the range just in case.
    Regards Grandpamac.
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    I used a Lee Loader for my old three-oh years back too. Used Hornady 174-gr round noses; they sure knocked things to the ground!. I'm thinking about getting into reloading again. Sold all my reloading gear years ago in a rash of "I won't go hunting again" stupidity.

    I'll probably just get a Lee press kit and a good set of scales. I don't target shoot so don't shoot a ton of rounds. It's probably not worth reloading for my 223; the Buffalo River ammo does a fine job at a reasonable cost. However I picked up some Hornady Precision hunter 6.5 Creedmore ammo for a mate the other day because they were out of stock nearly everywhere. $83 a box!

    I've been using PPU for the 308; but am keen to make custom loads at a better price than 80 bucks a box! I know people say you don't save money reloading. But I reckon that if you're like me (from past reloading experience) that I can achieve similar quality to the Precision Hunter for a lot less when I settle on a load.... Will be an interesting play around anyway. And of course; reload for my beloved 303 SMLE....
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    Re Lee Loaders
    Just had a look on the Lee Precision site and virtually everything is Out Of Stock including the humble Lee Loaders. Had a look on Titan Reloading's website where in the past I have bought Lee stuff and likewise, lots of Out Of Stock.
    OP mentioned wanting to load for 6.5 Grendel. It looks like Lee doesn't do a kit in that calibre and even if they did I would assume it too would be OOS.

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    I started reloading for my L461 with a Lyman 310 handtool. I miss sitting at the kitchen table and the simplicity of it. Nothing wrong with low cost and effective if you don't mind taking a little extra time.

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    @Phil_H you, my good man, have made my day..... I dont own any of the rifle versions as bought whole she bang kit years back but do own the shotgun versions and used them lots...recently inherited a semi stuffed flash shotgun loader that does it all...I still do it manually but use the press for the important bits,deprime,reprime and the crimping bits....I tip powder in,poke wad in,tip shot in......make tidy round thats for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08 View Post
    I started reloading for my L461 with a Lyman 310 handtool. I miss sitting at the kitchen table and the simplicity of it. Nothing wrong with low cost and effective if you don't mind taking a little extra time.
    A man after my own heart
    I have 310 dies for 223, 243, 308 and 44/40.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_H View Post
    I will probably be completely flamed for this @Remmodel7, but a cheap way to start reloading is with a Classic Lee Loader.

    Attachment 165115

    It doesn't get much simpler or cheaper than this.
    I have this thing that if I have a caliber that I use, I like the idea of having a re-loader that I can take bush with me without having to worry about scales, electricity or work bench.....bit of a 'Prepper' mentality. Currently I have .308, .243 and recently purchased .223 so naturally I then went and bought a Lee Loader for the .223

    Have just put it to the test today and done a sample run of 6 rounds. I used the Lee measuring spoon and used a factory PPU round to judge the AOL.
    These are my results.

    Attachment 165116

    I have loaded up some 50gr V-Max using H4895
    The load data from the Lee Modern Reloading Manual called for a powder charge between 25gr to 27.5gr
    I cheated and after I filled each measuring spoon I put it on the scales just to check it. I consistently got 25.9gr with a variation of less than 0.1gr either side. I am now sufficently happy with my spoon technique not to have to weigh it each spoon load in the future.
    .223 max AOL is 2.260 inches, the min AOL for this load is 2.210 inches. I set the die up using the factory round for reference using an eye-o-meter and managed a consistent AOL of 2.224 inches.

    I now have but to take them to the range and test the rounds. I don't have a chronograph but am more interested in a good consistant grouping.

    I have the reloading table with all the loading gear I need but I just like to have a very simple and easy and reliabe-consistant way to reload if needed.....that 'Prepper' side of me again.

    Oh, and the price of the Classic Lee Loader??? $68.00 or there abouts.

    Anyway, my 2 cents worth as to how one can start reloading very cheaply......I will now let other....and most likely more experienced and better informed.....forum members tell you why you shouldn't look at this option.

    Cheers
    Phil
    Just a follow up to the six rounds that I loaded up in the Lee Loader. I was at the range today and test fired them.

    A little disappointing to say the least.....1.89 inch spread at 100 meters which when converted to minute of angle at 100 yds calculates to 1.65 MOA ..... Not that brilliant.

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    Ok, so for the analysis. What went wrong. Well, here is a list of all the things that could have contributed to this spread.

    1/. Crappy marksman....yeah, that's me. I'm only average at the best of times.
    2/. Mediocre rifle and scope. Remington 783 with 3-9x40 Konus scope
    3/. Dirty brass. This brass was taken straight from the box of "once fired". It was then deprimed, neck sized, primed and loaded.
    No cleaning, triming or deburr-chamfering.
    4/. Cheap and mixed brass. As it turns out the brass came out of the box in a handful and consisted of 5 x PPU and 1 x ADI
    5/. Inconsistant powder charge. Remember, I was using a Lee spoon and while I weighed each charge I didn't correct it to the precise amount as I wanted to see the result.
    There was a variation of anything up to +- 0.1 grains in each catridge.

    So, definitely not competition accuracy and less accuracy than you would want for hunting, but that said the process I followed could be done in the bush, off the tail gate of the ute, in anyones kitchen or just about anywhere, and if it was a matter of putting rounds together to be able to eat, chances are you wouldn't go hungry.....there goes that prepper side of me again.

    So what now. I am going to go and try other variations to see how accurate I can get it without relying on fancy gear....portability and simplicity are the main criteria.

    I will keep posting as I get results.

    Cheers
    Phil
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