Thread: Hunter shot in Kaimai Range near Te Aroha

Originally Posted by gimp

Why do you consider them different?

There is an absolutely failsafe process that will ensure that you never shoot a person in the bush which involves the simple procedure of identifying your target. Do that one thing, properly, and it will never happen.
Yes the blokes who have shot people swear black and blue they saw a deer, of course they do, what do you expect them to say... "I saw something move and I thought that there was some kind of possibility it was a deer so I shot it" of course not, they admit that and it becomes the moment they can't live with themselves.
A vehicle accident can happen for any number of reasons, sometimes because the driver was drunk, driving at excessive speed etc in which case they belong in the same basket as the shooters.

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

There is an absolutely failsafe process that will ensure that you never shoot a person in the bush which involves the simple procedure of identifying your target. Do that one thing, properly, and it will never happen.
Yes the blokes who have shot people swear black and blue they saw a deer, of course they do, what do you expect them to say... "I saw something move and I thought that there was some kind of possibility it was a deer so I shot it" of course not, they admit that and it becomes the moment they can't live with themselves.
A vehicle accident can happen for any number of reasons, sometimes because the driver was drunk, driving at excessive speed etc in which case they belong in the same basket as the shooters.

Or the fact you swore you looked left and right then pulled out in front of a truck

Or you swore you stopped at the stop sign and then got t-boned

Or you swore you were driving to the conditions but then slid out on a bend

It's all a decision,

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

There is an absolutely failsafe process that will ensure that you never shoot a person in the bush which involves the simple procedure of identifying your target. Do that one thing, properly, and it will never happen.

That's the problem, these people are most often doing this but reach the wrong conclusion.

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Can you show me where I said I am perfect please? I said I'm not going to shoot anyone, nothing about being perfect? Bit of a difference between having a genuine accident in a vehicle and poking a bullet into someone.

Saying you are 110% sure you will never make a target identification mistake is where you said that. 100% is typically regarded as perfect, 110% is slightly better than perfect...

Also can't see the difference between having a genuine accident in a vehicle and a genuine accident with a firearm

Accident is the key terminology

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

Just remember it's a high chance the person or people involved are part of this community...

That would not surprise me in the slightest with the crazy mindset of all you blokes bsically admitting you don't trust yourselves or your procedures

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

That would not surprise me in the slightest with the crazy mindset of all you blokes bsically admitting you don't trust yourselves or your procedures

It's not about trusting yourselves and procedures, I'm more than comfortable with my procedures and ability to identify a target animal

I'm just not brash enough to say I'm never going to make a mistake, maybe if I was a keyboard hunter I could say that

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

It's not about trusting yourselves and procedures, I'm more than comfortable with my procedures and ability to identify a target animal

I'm just not brash enough to say I'm never going to make a mistake, maybe if I was a keyboard hunter I could say that

So possibility you will shoot someone one day, yes/no?

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

So possibility you will shoot someone one day, yes/no?

Nothing is impossible so they say.

I honestly cannot say it would never happen, I could slip and trip cause an accidental discharge and shoot myself for all I know.

Accidents happen and that's the fact, careless acts happen, people die. You cannot deny facts.

I will leave it there as you have closed your mind off to others opinions

The best way to not shoot anyone is to be like me, and never go hunting or shoot anything. Hard to shoot people by accident posting on the internet from home!

Originally Posted by gimp

The best way to not shoot anyone is to be like me, and never go hunting or shoot anything. Hard to shoot people by accident posting on the internet from home!

You even let old slow bastards sneak up on you in a supermarket

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Originally Posted by R93

You even let old slow bastards sneak up on you in a supermarket

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enjoy your milk

Originally Posted by gimp

enjoy your milk

It was sealed. I just checked

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Of course it depends on the scenario, but why is a "genuine accident" ok with a motor vehicle (kills a lot more people than firearms in NZ) but the same doesn't apply to a firearm? Either way there's been a cockup and you've potentially killed someone through negligence (depending on the scenario)

On one of my first hunting expeditions, long before any of you bastards were born, I was with a mate the same age as me, his dad was a very keen hunter. We got on to a spiker, only separated by about 20 metres of bush. We could clearly see it head through the bush trying to reach the high branches, but we could not see his body. My mate was adamant that we could shoot until we identified it fully. Sat watching the movement for about 10mins till it decided to bolt. Great training from his dad that someone of 16-17 had the nous to identify the target completely. Must have left an impression as that was at least 50 years ago. Tally that weekend, two hinds, a stag and a different spiker. I was suitably shagged by the time I got back to the Hillman combie station wagon

Firearms accidents have decreased massively over the past few decades, your hypothesis doesn't hold up very well.