Thread: Hunting in NZ, is it too easy?

Make em pay. I think we need to keep the resource for kiwis. If i were to go overseas to hunt i would probably have to pay good money why should it be any different for non kiwis to hunt here.

The point I'd like to emphasise is that by these people coming here, they don't just come here and take something away from other New Zealanders by default by bagging something for the pot that a Kiwi may have got. They pay for accommodation, they pay for helis, they pay for food, they buy clothes, they buy drinks - like I said, they keep people in business.

Originally Posted by Ryan

The point I'd like to emphasise is that by these people coming here, they don't just come here and take something away from other New Zealanders by default by bagging something for the pot that a Kiwi may have got. They pay for accommodation, they pay for helis, they pay for food, they buy clothes, they buy drinks - like I said, they keep people in business.

Your missing the point entirely.
Every non hunting loopy that comes here does that.

Originally Posted by R93

Your missing the point entirely.
Every non hunting loopy that comes here does that.

I don't disagree but I'd argue that a hunter would spend more just by virtue of the exclusivity and remoteness (often) of the activity. Local industries (guides, heli pilots, taxidermists, etc) cater specifically for these types of people.

Originally Posted by Ryan

I don't disagree but I'd argue that a hunter would spend more just by virtue of the exclusivity and remoteness (often) of the activity. Local industries (guides, heli pilots, taxidermists, etc) cater specifically for these types of people.

And the hills would become like Everest

I'd argue that it's naive to think that increased charges will benefit all New Zealanders. New Zealand hunters certainly wouldn't see any benefit from it. I don't think anyone at grassroots level in the tourism / hunting industry would benefit. I also don't think it'd deter many people at the end of the day.

Net effect? Less NZ'ers gainfully employed, more at the top lining their pockets, local hunters still "disenfranchised".

Originally Posted by Ryan

The point I'd like to emphasise is that by these people coming here, they don't just come here and take something away from other New Zealanders by default by bagging something for the pot that a Kiwi may have got. They pay for accommodation, they pay for helis, they pay for food, they buy clothes, they buy drinks - like I said, they keep people in business.

That's a true point but they can still do that without shooting our animals for free.
How many of these tourist hunters load up there suit cases with meat or do they eat it before they leave.
There are plenty of game farms and private places for them to hunt with a guide or if they are lucky somebody will take them for a hunt.
I have no idea on numbers but I don't think there would be to many country's in the world who would let any tourist hunt for free.

Originally Posted by Zamkiwi

Ryan they kill them with mass drops of 1080 poison that's not how you handle a resource.

OK. I understand.

Originally Posted by Zamkiwi

That's a true point but they can still do that without shooting our animals for free.
How many of these tourist hunters load up there suit cases with meat or do they eat it before they leave.
There are plenty of game farms and private places for them to hunt with a guide or if they are lucky somebody will take them for a hunt.
I have no idea on numbers but I don't think there would be to many country's in the world who would let any tourist hunt for free.

OK, but if they went into the sticks unguided, should they pay a premium? After all they're really not much more than a hiker with a rifle?

Originally Posted by Ryan

OK. I understand.



OK, but if they went into the sticks unguided, should they pay a premium? After all they're really not much more than a hiker with a rifle?

Don't forget that we are not the only country of hunters in the world a lot of overseas hunters are highly skilled and have been hunting for generations.
It has not reached a point yet where its really affecting us or our rights but it will get there.
History shows what happens when you let people in for free that they take advantage.
Ask the Native people of colonised country's our own included.

"Clean and green". I treat that with same disdain as "100% pure".

You don't drink Steinlager then? Yep I agree I've visted many countries, many many years older that NZ and they're are in as good a nick if not better. We are a lazy bunch of people over all, I think we lack a true pride and love for our country, not all, that's a generalisation, but like today, I pulled up at the lights and some arsehole had heavied heap of shit out of a car window onto the road, I don't compute with that, I walk a 4 k route on roads around where I live and there's rubbish all the way, someone had kicked the glass pane out of the bus stop this morning. Nobody gives a shit about NZ

Depends what rules are put in place.
If every loopy hunter had to hire a guide by law, like I believe they should, there would be no problem.

Originally Posted by R93

Depends what rules are put in place.
If every loopy hunter had to hire a guide by law, like I believe they should, there would be no problem.

Yes and do whatever they want on private land....not land, the upkeep of which and the administration of, is paid for out off my/our taxes.

As I said in your previous thread on ballots, and offshore hunters entering them......I don't get reciprocal rights on foreign public lands.

B

I think that until NZ powers that be start treating the game as animals as a resource, and not simply a pest that has to be destroyed at all costs, nothing will change with regard to overseas hunters.

Originally Posted by Pengy

I think that until NZ powers that be start treating the game as animals as a resource, and not simply a pest that has to be destroyed at all costs, nothing will change with regard to overseas hunters.

Are they really treated as a pest?