Thread: Hunting in NZ, is it too easy?

"To only identify a perceived problem without a proposed solution is nothing more than bitching and far from helpful."= Summitdog, there's no no bitching mate, rather raising a few questions that could affect something that Kiwis hold dear.Hopefully if this ever does become a problem it can be managed rather than regretfully wishing something had been done.There is no one simple solution to whichever part of the problem is there.


"Hopefully this thread will encourage the Kiwis who hate the foreign hunter game waste to make it possible for us to make our kills useful through some type of game donation facility/organization. If that ever happens, I'd hope to be one of the first to utilize the process"=im pretty sure if you hook up with a kiwi hunter over here who will show you a good time, they could re-home the meat etc.

NZ is unique in that we have all these introduced "game animals" no predators other than ourselves, very small ranges of some species, globaly rare/hard to hunt species all classed as pests with no limits or guidelines on what to shoot or not shoot.
Then you have the "kill every mammal with 4 legs" idealist who want to turn NZ back into how it was before humans arrived.
And the complete other extreme the "anti every control measure"
Both of which are nutters and should be treated as such as you back out the hut door and go pitch your biv a safe distance away.

The majority of NZ hunters sit somewhere in the middle, we generally have no animosity towards foreign hunters in fact quite the opposite we like to show off how bloody good we have it.
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...s-waldo-16661/

Just one thing that pisses us off is not getting ballots because foreign hunters flood the ballot for our land and our animals, In my opinion balloted blocks should only be open to NZ citizens and there mates(wherever the mates come from is irrelevant)

Hope you enjoy your trip to the land of the long red tape and if I can help you out I am happy to.....except with a ballot.

Maybe it is a cultural difference but if someone pipes up with how foreign hunters should "keep their hands off OUR (KIWI) animals: because of the alleged wastefulness but does not propose a way for a foreigner to make the carcass useful, i.e., to allow for the meat to be utilized in some fashion b/c a foreigner is usually forbidden from exporting the meat because of governmental regulations, then that, in my book, is bitching without a solution.

Vietnamcam, I have no understanding of the ballot system or the locations for which it is applicable. I don't know if the locations are more highly prized because there is greater game population but I will assume that is the issue. Is that the case? Are there greater numbers of trophy animals in the balloted regions?

But to the topic of the thread, whether hunting in NZ is too easy and therefore attracts the wrong element of foreign hunters, would not requiring foreign hunters to hunt on private reserves hurt the local hunter? If the foreign hunters were only allowed to hunt on private land, wouldn't the private land owners want to expand there range for economic gain and eventually eat up the public land for the local hunter? While that may seem absurd at this moment look at the lands in California, which are roughly the same size as NZ. I cannot find many public lands to hunt wild pigs (which I think everyone will agree with are just as big as pest as rats with tusks) or Wapiti (Elk). In part because even the "public" land has been leased out to ranchers, who in turn have control to the access to the land. For me, as a CA resident, to hunt Wapiti in CA I would expect to spend $14K US for a tag and guide (that is unless I had a rancher invite me onto his property and he provided me with the hunting tag).

Scotty

Not so much greater game numbers or trophys but some are in wilderness areas and the ballot period allows flying in in most cases which would otherwise be illegal, unless due to a loophole you are aerially assisted trophy hunting with a operator permitted to do it, it is a bloody disgrace to the country that it is allowed at all let alone in wilderness areas where someone may have walked for days to get there only to have a helicopter herd animals toward "hunters" they have just dropped off or just shot from the air.

Please be patient while I am learning about the ballot process, which appears to unsettle at least several members of this forum. The underlying issue is that by winning the ballot a local has the privilege to engage a helicopter to facilitate in the hunt, which would otherwise be illegal for a Kiwi but not necessarily so for a foreigner?


Learn to laugh at yourself and never be left unamused.

Well that is one issue yes, another is kiwis missing out on hunting our animals in the rut.

And the nz government only gives lip service to nzers and does whatever the fuck it wants! Foreign tourists and hunters bring money, that's all that the pussys in their plush offices see. So yes, some of us nzers do get a bit annoyed when we cannot get a ballot because of foreigners

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Well that is one issue yes, another is kiwis missing out on hunting our animals in the rut.

Now I am thoroughly confused. I thought the ballot block was for a particular region whilst the remainder of the fee ranges in NZ are open for hunt but you give the impression that if a Kiwi does not get a ballot then they can't hunt anywhere on the island during the roar. Is that really the case?


Learn to laugh at yourself and never be left unamused.

A lot of doc controlled hunting grounds all round nz are closed to public for the ballot period. Ballot permit winners/holders should be the only hunters in any given ballot block.
There is always open permit areas that anyone can hunt throughout the year and roar period, only issue is, we get all sorts of gimps running around firing at movement,colour etc when they should be at home doing the dishes.

Ballots blocks in westland can still be hunted by anybody that walks in regardless of who has the block. Its just that most blocks are really only accessible by machine.

Originally Posted by R93

Ballots blocks in westland can still be hunted by anybody that walks in regardless of who has the block. Its just that most blocks are really only accessible by machine.

I wasn't aware of that mate, I stand corrected.

Originally Posted by kidmac42

I wasn't aware of that mate, I stand corrected.

Neither was I until recently.

Originally Posted by R93

Neither was I until recently.

It sort of takes away the whole point of goin thru the ballot process if anyone can still hunt it with no permit, and there's the moral question on it too ay

I think the topic is too far off tangent with ballot blocks being a separate yet important discussion issue. The blocks in question really are only for Tahr rut hunting where the question should be addressed regarding non NZ residents and how we should manage them on our public lands.
FFS we cannot even manage our game animals.

Two points I would make;


1)

I would rather like to see something statistical regarding the alleged monopolization of a ballet system I personally know nothing about by internationals, the comments indicated on this thread also indicate many local's to NZ are unaware. I'm unsure if locals are unaware how internationals are going to make better use?


2)

My gut would indicate 90% of the international hunters visiting New Zealand to hunt are doing so on a safari style with large budget and contribute greatly to hunting scene and economically. NZ hunting culture and the do it yourself attitude, the attitude required to head out into the hills on public land and the gear, knowledge and most importantly time are not something most people are going to have on a 2-4 week "standard" holiday. That most working class people can take.

The largest competition to wild game on public land (doc) would be from student or backpacking internationals whom have the time 1-3+ months and the connections with locals to help either get them started and/or take them out to have a go, personally I encourage this.