Thread: SPCA call out 1080 for what it is - good on you !!

Originally Posted by Tahr

Ive lost a dog to it too. Not nice. But it was my own fault. Stopped using the muzzles too soon.

But that's just it isint it?

No where else in the world do you have a daily risk of poisoning your pets and livestock.
I shouldn't have to muzzle my dog from poison or the after effects, period.

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Originally Posted by Nick-D

Its been around for a while now, there is a fairly good scientific understanding of the long term effects of 1080 exposure and its risks.

Trace exposure and long term effects likewise have a pretty good understanding of the toxicity, its bio availability, half life and how the body breaks it down. As they understand very well how the toxin works it is pretty simple to track its potential side effects.

There is no added risk profile noted in any of the studies I have read with regards to cancer. Do you consume bacon? Because that is scientifically proven and well understood to increase risk of cancer over time. Botulism sucks ass though so we take the trade off with the cancer causing preservatives.

Thoroughly agree with the predator free 2050 thing though. No chance it happens short of some crazy advancements in genetic engineering. Certainly wont happen with todays techology. I think we could probably get close to getting rid of possums and maybe mustelids but good luck getting rid of rats any time soon.

Its not perfect and I would love to see a reduction of its use, but I fail to see viable alternatives in many cases. I also think people who are vehemently against 1080 so often ignore the fact that it does in many cases help the native wildlife. Focus so much on the negatives that they forget the net result (as least as the credible evidence I have seen shows) is a positive one.

It's not my point. You can believe everything you read if you want.
They said agent orange was harmless once, again backed by numerous studies. That turned out great.

I am talking about the unknown 20-30yrs from now.
Yes 1080 has been around for ages.

But it has never been used as much and in quantaties it has been recently.

Yeah I eat bacon but it's my choice, the government doesn't force me too





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Originally Posted by R93

But that's just it isint it?

No where else in the world do you have a daily risk of poisoning your pets and livestock.
I shouldn't have to muzzle my dog from poison or the after effects period.

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I'm happy to mitigate my own risks, and suck it up when I don't, when the rural economy and iconic species need a leg up.

I have offen wondered why the SPCA has not until now come out against 1080, as they are Hypocrites if they only want to protect cute animals. I’m not a fan of 1080 because it kills deer, I’m not sure I care how a rat dies but would prefer a fast kill alternative to poison. I don’t think my beliefs align with them and I doubt they will ever be on side with hunters. It’s just convenient for some that they have come out against 1080 recently.
We must seperate our, as in human cruelty from nature’s way. Mice eating a birds alive, parasites, fly strike, orca pulling seals apart.
We do have a responsibility to protect NZ flora and fauna, as we introduced pests, how we do that is not easily answered.

Originally Posted by Tahr

I'm happy to mitigate my own risks, and suck it up when I don't, when the rural economy (TB) and iconic species need a leg up.

So you're a sheep?

You probably don't live in an area like I do. 10 different catchments can get the green rain at any one time but it all eventually goes past my and many others houses and onto our beach.

It is a constant daily threat.


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Originally Posted by R93

So you're a sheep?

You probably don't live in an area like I do. 10 different catchments can get the green rain at any one time but it all eventually goes past my and many others houses and onto our beach.

It is a constant daily threat.


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Im 70 for fucks sake. I didn't just come down yesterday. I make my own decisions based on my own experience and observations. Like farming 3000 acres on the east coast for 20 years when there were 350 farms in NZ with TB, including our own. Like trapping and hunting for a living. Deer capture and deer farming. Volunteer conservation. Spending a lifetime in the trees. Don't you bloody call me a sheep.

Originally Posted by Nick-D

Care to provide evidence to back the totally fucks claim? Because there is plenty around showing it to be a net positive to native biodiversity.

Its cruel and it sure as shit aint perfect, but whats the alternative? No more native birds? Even if we had the budget gifted to us tomorrow it would take years to set up train and transition into a full trapping network. What happens in the mean time?

You've had plenty of time to develop other methods, i think the money being made hinders progress and the arrogance of DoC contributes to this. A change is needed to way in whick DoC operates, its really not difficult.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Im 70 for fucks sake. I didn't just come down yesterday. I make my own decisions based on my own experience and observations. Like farming 3000 acres on the east coast for 20 years when there were 350 farms in NZ with TB, including our own. Like trapping and hunting for a living. Deer capture and deer farming. Volunteer conservation. Spending a lifetime in the trees. Don't you bloody call me a sheep.

Hit him over the head with your walking stick! And keep doing it until he stops wriggling.

Well well well.. it used to be that I was labelled a troublemaker on this here forum, a grumpy, antagonist prick with no respect for anyones opinion but my own...
Looks whos sitting quietly in the corner with a halo above his head and cake smeared across his grinning face now

Originally Posted by Tahr

Im 70 for fucks sake. I didn't just come down yesterday. I make my own decisions based on my own experience and observations. Like farming 3000 acres on the east coast for 20 years when there were 350 farms in NZ with TB, including our own. Like trapping and hunting for a living. Deer capture and deer farming. Volunteer conservation. Spending a lifetime in the trees. Don't you bloody call me a sheep.

Jeez lighten up. I'm 50 and content.

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Well well well.. it used to be that I was labelled a troublemaker on this here forum, a grumpy, antagonist prick with no respect for anyones opinion but my own...
Looks whos sitting quietly in the corner with a halo above his head and cake smeared across his grinning face now

Pure as the driven snow, you are.

Originally Posted by R93

Jeez lighten up. I'm 50 and content.

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At 50, you have no right to be content. Get to work for another 20 years.

Maca49 isdead right. The alternatives have been available longer than 1080 poison but they dont kill every other game species do they! Trapping is viable but anethema to the fanatical agenda to kill all introduced wild fish birds and game.

Originally Posted by Tahr

At 50, you have no right to be content. Get to work for another 20 years.

Dodged a few explosions and bullets in 20 yrs of service to this country.

Pretty sure I have some rights.

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I'm 73 and regard the mass use of 1080 poison as a total and largely irrational affront our NZ economy, to my forbears, my environment and my values.