Thread: SPCA call out 1080 for what it is - good on you !!

Originally Posted by Nick-D

There is plenty of published peer reviewed science man.

https://www.cawthron.org.nz/publicat...t-food-plants/

Much of the data gathering by doc wouldn't stand up to strict scientific review due to lack of control and small data sets, doc even admits as such. However the bulk and ongoing consistency of results show an uptake in fledgling success and massive reduction of predator numbers. In short the data we have shows time and again that the use of 1080 has a net positive result.

There is zero data scientifically or otherwise that refutes or invalidates this data. Just anecdotal evidence and testimony from people who are often far to emotionally involved to be objective.

Not to say there aren't fuckups and species which are more vulnerable to by kill such as carrion eaters. There are and they are reported as such. It ain't perfect, but they get better at using it all the time.

My major point here is having met many of the people out there looking after our birds and gathering the data, they are passionate and committed. If (as many anti 1080 roponants claim) the poison was having massive negative impacts on the very things these people are trying to protect then they would report it. We would be hearing it from all sides.

I see both sides man, I would like to see a reduction of the use of aerial baits in general. I just don't see an economically or functionally viable alternative right now.

We all realise that the last review included a mandate to push forward with alternative practices right?

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@Nick-D. I have read through the pesticide review papers linked in your post - from Cawthron. None have any mention of who they were reviewed by so I will take it that they were not.
Please show me a properly conducted and audited bird population monitoring program with measured abundance before and after drop(s) for say 10 years. By that I mean that the bird counts need to be correct, not just tape recordings of the 'Dawn Chorus'
Recently here on this forum we saw information on Tahr population monitoring which demonstrated that there was 'No correlation' between dung pellet line counts and the actual population.
In un-poisoned forests the birds and predators are at an equilibrium or balance. Poisoning kills birds and some of those birds killed will express the rare adaptive genetics that are needed to carry the species forward. In areas where the bird populations are stable and where there has never been poisoning there is no need to poison. If a bird species was going to be made extinct by predation in those areas then it would have happened by now, 100 plus years after the introduction of predators. Where a bird population is in decline, well that is a different case.