Thread: Climate

Well said Sidney.
But I'll add, I'll put a box of beer on it that not one structure that got damaged in the recent floods was on land that had never been flooded before.
All this "since records began" is the sort of stuff that should be restricted to school projects.
Anyone can stand on a hill over looking a flood/silt plain and see where the water has been up to previously. I'd trust my own eyes over records any day.

Yep..

People standing in desperation on a flood plain wondering why the silt has destroyed their orchards? I sympathise... but its a flood plain. Did you seriously believe that it has never happened before? Its like having your children lecturing you on how to look after their children.

Perhaps if we didn't get our data from incompetents like Niwa, who like to be taken by surprise by everything that happens, we might have a population that understands risk a little better?

Originally Posted by Sidney

Yep..

People standing in desperation on a flood plain wondering why the silt has destroyed their orchards? I sympathise... but its a flood plain. Did you seriously believe that it has never happened before? Its like having your children lecturing you on how to look after their children.

Perhaps if we didn't get our data from incompetents like Niwa, who like to be taken by surprise by everything that happens, we might have a population that understands risk a little better?

I agree that in many situations the devastation (HB) was a natural consequence of where the assets were geographically, but that does not explain away the magnitude of the event or the increasing frequency of them. Anyone who is in touch with the natural environment, as hunters ought be, should to be aware of the subtle and not so subtle signs that things are not at all well. You are correct that none of us will live long enough to know the outcome but in the here and now I think we need to be taking action to mitigate the likely effects and damage. God knows how we will afford it. I am quite glad actually that I am leaving.

Originally Posted by Tahr

I agree that in many situations the devastation (HB) was a natural consequence of where the assets were geographically, but that does not explain away the magnitude of the event or the increasing frequency of them. Anyone who is in touch with the natural environment, as hunters ought be, should to be aware of the subtle and not so subtle signs that things are not at all well. You are correct that none of us will live long enough to know the outcome but in the hear and now I think we need to be taking action to mitigate the likely effects and damage. God knows how we will afford it. I am quite glad actually that I am leaving.

Generally we are leaving it to our children and grandchildren to deal with.

I think ( getting it back to hunting ) that our children and grandchildren will have a very different experience too us in the back country.
Invasive weeds and pests will move as ecosystems change with climate change.

Originally Posted by Tahr

I agree that in many situations the devastation (HB) was a natural consequence of where the assets were geographically, but that does not explain away the magnitude of the event or the increasing frequency of them. Anyone who is in touch with the natural environment, as hunters ought be, should to be aware of the subtle and not so subtle signs that things are not at all well. You are correct that none of us will live long enough to know the outcome but in the here and now I think we need to be taking action to mitigate the likely effects and damage. God knows how we will afford it. I am quite glad actually that I am leaving.

You cannot change it. You can only cost the lives of those on hospital waiting lists, provide us with a poorer standard of education, provide a sop to those who think that batteries create less of an issue that existing supply chains do, and produce an increasingly larger group of poor people. We will continue to delude those children coming out of an already substandard education system with no grasp of statistical integrity, mathematical skill or critical thinking abilty; that we in some way are going to change an outcome that we cannot change, for no quantifiable benefit from the real costs on the most vulnerable in our societies.

Show me the outcome that will be achieved for the resources that are going to dedicated to it.

Originally Posted by Sidney

You cannot change it. You can only cost the lives of those on hospital waiting lists, provide us with a poorer standard of education, provide a sop to those who think that batteries create less of an issue that existing supply chains do, and produce an increasingly larger group of poor people. We will continue to delude those children coming out of an already substandard education system with no grasp of statistical integrity, mathematical skill or critical thinking abilty; that we in some way are going to change an outcome that we cannot change, for no quantifiable benefit from the real costs on the most vulnerable in our societies.

Show me the outcome that will be achieved for the resources that are going to dedicated to it.

The outcome that I was referencing was mitigating consequences of climate change, not the climate itself. Shifting properties and towns, bolstering protection, safeguarding vital infrastructure etc. Learning from others (the terrible fires on the continent and Canada) - learn and mitigate now.

Originally Posted by Tahr

The outcome that I was referencing was mitigating consequences of climate change, not the climate itself. Shifting properties and towns, bolstering protection, safeguarding vital infrastructure etc. Learning from others (the terrible fires on the continent and Canada) - learn and mitigate now.

Greetings,
All options will be costly including doing nothing. For some areas doing nothing will result in inundation and total loss.
GPM.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings,
All options will be costly including doing nothing. For some areas doing nothing will result in inundation and total loss.
GPM.

again I will point to the maungaparua valley...... we humans went in,changed things,were going well but cound not continue..the resulting slips from the forest clearing and lack of fertilizer to keep hillsides growing were compounding issues and the roads stopped being maintained as deemed too expensive....given how we now can utilize good ground and replant not so good ground..a lot of that type of area could be productive land again...but man it would really have to be looked at hard and the areas used policed..for want of a better word.