Thread: : Snipers vs. Competition Shooters

The only person contributing the most to this pointless thread is you EL b its clear to everyone on here its all about you and your ego mate.Im not going to call you names but really you need to face the facts that that's all this is about now the more you go on the more it stands out.Snipers generally try to keep low profile's if you want to be compared to one so bad try pulling your head in a little.

Originally Posted by Neckshot

The only person contributing the most to this pointless thread is you EL b its clear to everyone on here its all about you and your ego mate.Im not going to call you names but really you need to face the facts that that's all this is about now the more you go on the more it stands out.Snipers generally try to keep low profile's if you want to be compared to one so bad try pulling your head in a little.

i dont get you neck shot nor your comments . go and read the original post and come back --WTF has this got to do with me and my ego -you may have served but smarten up please . your offended by an practical and realistic observation and then dont like people taking about that - its a forum for ideas and interests LOL - do you disagree with the orignal observation????????

Jesus Christ shut up

Originally Posted by el borracho

i know a couple of army snipers turned upto the gunslinger comp a few years back and didn't impress according to a friend competing there but the reality is as the original post alludes to --if you dont shoot alot those that do will probably beat you, And yes a strange environment certainly test you as i found out in the hills shooting the gunslinger -arrived with visions of Granger and left a humbled man

I think you will find it was an off the cuff entry with a pair who hadn't ranged in with that ammo and rifle.
Intention being to interact/socialise with the civilian community, not seriously compete, or leave a don't fuck with us impression.
So I've been told.
7.62 and visual drop/wind estimation/compensation isn't very competitive when used against 338, with PDA etc at those sorts of ranges.
Funny how intentions can back fire aye El B.
I'm with the majority of other replies, your a douche.
I usually trawl here and read interesting shit which has taught me a shit load.
Your the exception

that was no slight on the snipers link but does show how hard that contest is!! . This post has wandered very badly as your own post shows with name calling .The original article was posted on another forum by a US army scout sniper /Sniper school instructor and answered rationally by other ex serviceman --some here are to precious to do that it appears and would rather attack me personally . It would be a shame if we agreed on everything as we would have little to speak about.

I would agree that of course target shooters would out perform in their own environment against snipers, And if they did an assessment/comparison in a sniper environment, snipers would wipe the floor with target shooters.

Sort of seen this thing when I was lucky enough to compete in the queens medal comp a few years ago, Its pretty much target shooting with service rifles. The guy that won that year was just a normal old grunt. Some of the guys that were in the top 10 weren't snipers, But I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want to have a sniper up there ass in a combat environment no matter how many points they can score on a bit of paper.

Its a shame that people resort to personal attacks when they don't agree with a different opinion or don't hold the ability of a rational thought process, when one try's to generate conversation. Especially when all you get these days is the same old what caliber/gun/vehicle threads.

just for anyone interested in reading about how a forum in the states handled this with professionals, snipers ex snipers talking about it here is a link --and none of them are douches for doing so so -its insightful and interesting

Shooting Skills: Sniper vs Competition Shooters

What the hell happened?!

El B put up an article that showed that target shooters were more accurate than snipers. Everyone seems to be offended by this and just put up their opinion without any real evidence unlike El B. Never did it say that comp shooters were better than snipers at shooting on battlefeilds and crawling around in the crap for days on end, it was purely about putting the bullet on target.

Some of the personal attacks on here are just an embarrassment to the forum, Gimp you need to pull your head in.

what gunslinger was that elb?

Originally Posted by el borracho

i know a couple of army snipers turned upto the gunslinger comp a few years back and didn't impress according to a friend competing there but the reality is as the original post alludes to --if you dont shoot alot those that do will probably beat you, And yes a strange environment certainly test you as i found out in the hills shooting the gunslinger -arrived with visions of Granger and left a humbled man

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Originally Posted by Savage1

What the hell happened?!

El B put up an article that showed that target shooters were more accurate than snipers. Everyone seems to be offended by this and just put up their opinion without any real evidence unlike El B. Never did it say that comp shooters were better than snipers at shooting on battlefeilds and crawling around in the crap for days on end, it was purely about putting the bullet on target.

Some of the personal attacks on here are just an embarrassment to the forum, Gimp you need to pull your head in.

bang on! dont know why some hard men here are are getting so sensitive i some times it shows what a small country we truly live in

Right, read another couple of pages of this shit and frankly the whole bunch of you fucking bitches need slapped up the side of the head.

Competition shooters shoot with there chequebook. Meatheads shoot with someone else's limited chequebook.

Almost anyone can be a top shooter, it comes down to rounds down the barrel.

This thread is fucking pathetic, and gimp, you (the big mod) have been about the worst from what I can see. Sharpen the fuck up.

You guys didn't read it either huh

maybe they also understood the idea behind it - it was pretty simple , Wirehunt sussed in in a said it in nutshell
But lets not labour it -there's nothing more to be gained -an observation made and it made sense ..............

A couple of notes to take into account from someone who has operated with the US military on a regular basis for over 10 years back in the 1980s-2000s The Navy Seals who everyone is told are the greatest thing since sliced bread actually get a lot of their training from the Brit Royal Marines and Note the regular marines not the SBS as they were until combined with the SAS or any of the other specialised units. The US military has tended to rely on its massive budget for toys that in the right hands are exceptional tools however they have tended to let the technology take over from basic military skills as an example for those of use who were in the various services during the first Gulf war the US army and marines were just introducing GPS publicly and what was found out is that due to the use of GPS the vast majority of their troops could not navigate by basic compass techniques as they had either not been taught or had forgotten due to the new toy, this led to all sorts of chaos when batteries died and there were non available to replace them. Now for the sniper v s Target shooter thing the longest kills recorded were 1: Brit Sniper about 2-3 years ago at approx. 2450metres I can't remember the exact number but that is within +_ 15m and the second longest was by a Canadian sniper in Afghanistan about 7 or 8 years ago at 2350-2400m using a Harris .50cal issue sniper rifle. The biggest issue is the BS that Hollywood displays as all snipers including Police are trained not to shoot for the head at ranges longer than 3-400m as the risk of a miss could get the innocent people you are trying to save killed a civilian target shooter does not have this to consider when trying to kill a disgruntled piece of paper. There are a few locations in the world where a hunter can get some impression of the stress involved in sniping Africa where the game may well be hunting you and in North America where this may also occur. I have hunted in bear country in British Columbia and when you see fresh bear tracks in your tacks in Grizzly country it get a little hairy or fresh cougar tracks.