Thread: Using the firearms register

It really is simple, ring them and get them to record what it actually is they can do this over the phone, exactly what I did when I registered my 30 06ai, they originally wanted to record it as a 30 06 Springfield and I asked them to ensure it was noted as an Ackley Improved.

People will find problems that have simple solutions just to avoid doing something they don't want to do, or to discredit something they feel strongly against as a way of justifying their stance.

Do I like the register? NO
Do want to ensure my firearms are documented correctly to avoid future hassles? Yes

So I just do what is required to ensure that happens, there is a solution, it's not that hard.

Yeah - but that doesn't fix the problem within the setup. If an item has 12 or more possible options you can select from that looks kind of right (apart from one bit right at the end that isn't actually visible in the box that comes up that allows you to select the choice) - but is actually fundamentally wrong, how many people select it thinking that they have made the right choice and are completely unaware that there is an issue? Saying "ring up" is fine, unless you don't know that you've made an error.

It took me a couple of goes before I noticed the issue with the action being stated as the wrong type and had to go back and check and adjust the previous ones.

Originally Posted by dannyb

It really is simple, ring them and get them to record what it actually is they can do this over the phone, exactly what I did when I registered my 30 06ai, they originally wanted to record it as a 30 06 Springfield and I asked them to ensure it was noted as an Ackley Improved.

People will find problems that have simple solutions just to avoid doing something they don't want to do, or to discredit something they feel strongly against as a way of justifying their stance.

Do I like the register? NO
Do want to ensure my firearms are documented correctly to avoid future hassles? Yes

So I just do what is required to ensure that happens, there is a solution, it's not that hard.

I totally agree Danny

Mine will all be done over the phone, goodness knows how long that will take

Ringing up is all well and fine but firstly you have to actually get through, then if and when that happens you're somewhat at the mercy of who happens to answer the phone. There is a younger sounding guy working there who is great and knows his stuff. If you get him then happy days.

Or you could get the woman I dealt with when I rung up to try change the details of a firearm I bought that was incorrectly registered (presumably by the previous owner). The model was wrong, the magazine capacity was wrong, and the country of manufacture was wrong. I was told by the woman on the phone the recorded details were "close enough". She was totally uninterested in updating their records to be accurate and it was on me to argue my case by pointing out that I was committing a crime by knowingly providing incorrect information to the registry before she eventually agreed to update the record.

In this case it seems like the previous owner did the initial registration online and selected whatever was the nearest match which in this case was way off the mark. There will be thousands of cases like this. So yes there can be simple solutions when following the happy path with the registry but this isn't always the case. We're over 2 years in and they still can't work out the teething issues.

Originally Posted by No.3

Yeah - but that doesn't fix the problem within the setup. If an item has 12 or more possible options you can select from that looks kind of right (apart from one bit right at the end that isn't actually visible in the box that comes up that allows you to select the choice) - but is actually fundamentally wrong, how many people select it thinking that they have made the right choice and are completely unaware that there is an issue? Saying "ring up" is fine, unless you don't know that you've made an error.

It took me a couple of goes before I noticed the issue with the action being stated as the wrong type and had to go back and check and adjust the previous ones.

I agree it's not perfect, and yup you make a valid point. My comment wasn't aimed purely at you, there are plenty of folks on here just hand wringing and crying foul over the whole thing, acting like it's some sort of personal vendetta against them.
It would be nice if it worked properly, or even if we could record our own data and then be responsible for any accuracy or Inaccuracies.
Unfortunately it isn't and it doesn't, so when we find issues we need to do what we can to protect ourselves as best as possible.

Originally Posted by dannyb

I agree it's not perfect, and yup you make a valid point. My comment wasn't aimed purely at you, there are plenty of folks on here just hand wringing and crying foul over the whole thing, acting like it's some sort of personal vendetta against them.
It would be nice if it worked properly, or even if we could record our own data and then be responsible for any accuracy or Inaccuracies.
Unfortunately it isn't and it doesn't, so when we find issues we need to do what we can to protect ourselves as best as possible.

Yes. There is some useful information in this thread and some practical ideas and sensible comments. But sadly diluted by 79 pages of whining.

Originally Posted by Tahr

But sadly diluted by 79 pages of whining.

Which you've now added to by whining about the whining

Originally Posted by Fatberg

Which you've now added to by whining about the whining

Fair point

The whining does show several consistant themes.

Its difficult to get your phonecall answered. Probably the main issue

The available database of firearms types is inadequate

Some of the people who eventually answer the phone are disinterested or simply not very bright

Im sure there are others but those seem to be the common theme

Attacking each other because we didnt have any problems but "he" did is counterproductive and acheives nothing

A couple of points.

Constructive criticism is always fine. There are issues with the system for sure. But also as a large group a fair number of us will not be easy to deal with. I registered quite early and have used the system a few times. Both via internet and phone. Im polite and organised and speak clearly and concisely. all my interaction with the people on the phones have gone well.
I dont think it's fair to blame the people on the other end of the line. Any problems are above their heads.

But also I havnt seen much Id describe as attacking others on here. Unless having a different opinion of what people are saying is attacking?

It's a new system. Yes it sucks that we have it. Id definitely prefer we didn't. But thats not going to change things, and the best way to deal with it is patience and understanding.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Yes. There is some useful information in this thread and some practical ideas and sensible comments. But sadly diluted by 79 pages of whining.

change your settings, I only need to see 31 pages

Originally Posted by No good names left

change your settings, I only need to see 31 pages

Yeah, but then you have to read the small print.

And its a forum of many members and other folks posting are every bit as valid as your own .

We all have a viewpoint but should always accept that other viewpoints are no more right or wrong than our own

Originally Posted by fawkes

And its a forum of many members and other folks posting are every bit as valid as your own .

We all have a viewpoint but should always accept that other viewpoints are no more right or wrong than our own

The first part, yes absolutely.

The second part no, not every view or opinion is correct, while some are. There is nothing wrong with challenging an opinion you dont agree with of think is wrong, and asking for more information or something to back it up.

I've tried registering my drilling, and the best i can do is as a combination gun - which is a 2 barreled rifle/shotgun, not a sxs shotgun over a rifle barrel.
This, despite me having to get a permit to import, and the NZP having drilling on their list.
Hopefully whoever checks will be as clueless as whoever set the system up - and i haven't started on my l/h .54 flintlock, which they have categorized as a percussion/flintlock. WTF is that? Two locks on a single barrel, maybe?

Like a fair bit in life, the secret to happiness when dealing with the FSA is going in with very low expectations.