Thread: TV3 & Guncity mistake

Well, hopefully she will have a fair trial, and if she is not doing just home detention and community service, she will be able to write about the life conditions in mt Eden prison.

Just to put some perspective on this. You have the right, in New Zealand, to say "I am maintaining my right to silence" when question by the Police. This applies to you, me, your mate, your mother and everyone. This is the reason we have appropriate judicial law in NZ, rather than the ad-loc random legal process in Russia, Malaysia, Thailand, USA and many other countries. Want to live in a country where the answer to a Police question comes from the end of a baton ?

Just because you may disagree with the particular circumstances doesn't dilute the process you have the option to exercise.

The posts for death, evisceration, and avoidance of a legal process we all all entitled to, is today in NZ, somewhat sickening. Simply because of an opinion people have, publicly.

Discussion is one thing, rampant mob behaviour because of the belief and obsession one is right, is quite sad.

Thats fine, but don't cry foul when the police then exercise a search warrant to ensure they have the necessary evidence to back up a potential prosecution.
The whinging from HDPA and Soper is not justified if they refused to speak to the police, the police are entitled to search under warrant on the basis of reasonable grounds for specified items, if a crime has been committed. Its pretty clear that that is the case.

Whether the police choose to prosecute or not is a matter of discretion on their part, but they always do that with the consideration of the strength of their case in the first instance and then other considerations. It is quite pathetic to refuse to speak to the police and then claim that a search shouldn't have occurred as they would have provided the information required.... they had already refused...!!

The fact is, in spite of the media dribble about this - there was no loophole, and there was no actual problem. Despite that this circus broke the law, and as Aunty Ursula points out, there is no defence of public interest for criminal activity.

I imagine there were approx zero cases ever of fraudulent mail order forms before this

Originally Posted by gimp

I imagine there were approx zero cases ever of fraudulent mail order forms before this

TV3's gun purchase story may have created a problem not fixed one, says barrister

Nicholas Taylor said he has 18 years experience in firearms cases and reviewed almost 10,000 of those cases to find not a single one involved the mail order exploit currently the focus of the police investigation.

"What I discovered is I haven't had a single case in 18 years of being a barrister specialising in firearms law in which a firearm has been found by police or in someone's unlawful possession that has been obtained this way. There isn't a case I can name or have come across."

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Originally Posted by Kscott

The posts for death, evisceration, and avoidance of a legal process we all all entitled to, is today in NZ, somewhat sickening. Simply because of an opinion people have, publicly.

Discussion is one thing, rampant mob behaviour because of the belief and obsession one is right, is quite sad.

The comments made around hanging, drawing and quartering (and public flogging in another thread) were mine and no one else's so no rampant mob behaviour at all, just a single individual whose view on such things sits somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan. I am entitled to my view and absolutely defend your right to the view you have that supports a more refined, cultured politically corrected and somewhat less barbaric New Zealand society than I would have.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Just to put some perspective on this. You have the right, in New Zealand, to say "I am maintaining my right to silence" when question by the Police. This applies to you, me, your mate, your mother and everyone. This is the reason we have appropriate judicial law in NZ, rather than the ad-loc random legal process in Russia, Malaysia, Thailand, USA and many other countries. Want to live in a country where the answer to a Police question comes from the end of a baton ?

Just because you may disagree with the particular circumstances doesn't dilute the process you have the option to exercise.

The posts for death, evisceration, and avoidance of a legal process we all all entitled to, is today in NZ, somewhat sickening. Simply because of an opinion people have, publicly.

Discussion is one thing, rampant mob behaviour because of the belief and obsession one is right, is quite sad.

If they were 'exposing a loophole' as they claim to be, you'd think they'd be upfront with what they did and how they went about it.

Originally Posted by Sidney

Thats fine, but don't cry foul when the police then exercise a search warrant to ensure they have the necessary evidence to back up a potential prosecution.

Oh I absolutely agree 100%.

I was merely pointing out the right to silence that everyone enjoys in NZ, and exercising that right appeared to be frowned upon.

Originally Posted by Rushy

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The comments made around hanging, drawing and quartering (and public flogging in another thread) were mine and no one else's so no rampant mob behaviour at all, just a single individual whose view on such things sits somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan. I am entitled to my view and absolutely defend your right to the view you have that supports a more refined, cultured politically corrected and somewhat less barbaric New Zealand society than I would have.

I should've explained, the rampant mob behaviour that has been displayed online in multiple forums, as well as FB and blogs. Yours isn't the only one Rushy

It is not just the silly bag at TV3 who is in deep doggy poo, it is her partner in crime Garner, the TV3 exec who authorised the scam to proceed AND a certain Police Assn president who had only a week or so previously been bleating about " not knowing how crims got illegal guns"????? And, then this schemozzle occurred. I don't believe in coincidences!!! I firmly believe that this whole thing was dreamed up to try to expose a NON-EXISTENT loophole in the mail order procedure for us law abiding persons to legally obtain firearms by remote control.

As others have stated " THERE WAS NO LOOPHOLE".

MESSRS "SILLY BAG",GARNER ETC ETC ARE ALL GUILTY OF SEVERAL SERIOUS CRIMES & IF THE COPS DON'T PROSECUTE ALL OF THEM??? THEN I AM QUITE CONFIDENT THAT SOMEONE IN THE VICINITY OF CHRISTCHURCH WILL!!!!!

EVERYONE: WATCH THIS SPACE. JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED EVENTUALLY.

Beers to all law abiding firearm owners.

For your first posting mate you picked a doozie thread. You are not trying to draw us out are u?

Originally Posted by Kscott

Just to put some perspective on this. You have the right, in New Zealand, to say "I am maintaining my right to silence" when question by the Police. This applies to you, me, your mate, your mother and everyone. This is the reason we have appropriate judicial law in NZ, rather than the ad-loc random legal process in Russia, Malaysia, Thailand, USA and many other countries. Want to live in a country where the answer to a Police question comes from the end of a baton ?

Just because you may disagree with the particular circumstances doesn't dilute the process you have the option to exercise.

The posts for death, evisceration, and avoidance of a legal process we all all entitled to, is today in NZ, somewhat sickening. Simply because of an opinion people have, publicly.

Discussion is one thing, rampant mob behaviour because of the belief and obsession one is right, is quite sad.

The end of a baton sounds good to me in certain circumstances

Originally Posted by Maca49

The end of a baton sounds good to me in certain circumstances

We don't need to know about your bedroom antics.

MESSRS "SILLY BAG",GARNER ETC ETC ARE ALL GUILTY OF SEVERAL SERIOUS CRIMES & IF THE COPS DON'T PROSECUTE ALL OF THEM??? THEN I AM QUITE CONFIDENT THAT SOMEONE IN THE VICINITY OF CHRISTCHURCH WILL!!!!!

EVERYONE: WATCH THIS SPACE. JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED EVENTUALLY

prety arrogant of garner to flout the laws by going with lusk a week or two afterwould and thumbing his/thier noses at the one gun rule for non licence holders hunting with a licenced owner.

Originally Posted by Barefoot

We don't need to know about your bedroom antics.

I was taught by a local cop, his trunnions always smelt funny

Truncheon my son