Thread: Kaimanawa Forest Park

Hi all
have received a reply from LINZ who confirm they are not the controlling authority or that the parcel of land on which the formed road sits is not in crown ownership, and have suggested contacting the local council.

First reply, after which I asked if the land was owned by a SOE
Further to my email below our Crown Property team have advised that the land is not LINZ land. To determine the actual ownership is by you having a status report completed by an Accredited Supplier. Please view the list of Accredited Suppliers on our website at https://www.linz.govt.nz/crown-prope...ited-suppliers

Thank you for your email.
Second reply,

Unfortunately we are not able to confirm the ownership of the land. I note parcel 4574891 has a status of current and a parcel intent of "road". Roads are typically owned by local councils (except for State Highways, which typically owned by New Zealand Transport Agency), so you may wish to enquire directly with the local council to determine if they can confirm ownership.

Alternatively, you will need to contact an accredited supplier to conduct a status report, as per our prior response.

I think we now await the TDC response.
Cheers Ruger7mm

Originally Posted by Ruger7mm

Hi all
have received a reply from LINZ who confirm they are not the controlling authority or that the parcel of land on which the formed road sits is not in crown ownership, and have suggested contacting the local council.

First reply, after which I asked if the land was owned by a SOE
Further to my email below our Crown Property team have advised that the land is not LINZ land. To determine the actual ownership is by you having a status report completed by an Accredited Supplier. Please view the list of Accredited Suppliers on our website at https://www.linz.govt.nz/crown-prope...ited-suppliers

Thank you for your email.
Second reply,

Unfortunately we are not able to confirm the ownership of the land. I note parcel 4574891 has a status of current and a parcel intent of "road". Roads are typically owned by local councils (except for State Highways, which typically owned by New Zealand Transport Agency), so you may wish to enquire directly with the local council to determine if they can confirm ownership.

Alternatively, you will need to contact an accredited supplier to conduct a status report, as per our prior response.

I think we now await the TDC response.
Cheers Ruger7mm

Yeah, I have been contacted by council, I posted their email earlier this page. Will share any further communication coming from them.

Originally Posted by Dazzh

Yeah, I have been contacted by council, I posted their email earlier this page. Will share any further communication coming from them.

Amazing. Do I read this correctly.
TDC is saying it is clear that it is not theirs (probably because they don't receive any rates from it) but LINZ say it is a road and therefore is TDCs?

Originally Posted by Dazzh

Yeah, I have been contacted by council, I posted their email earlier this page. Will share any further communication coming from them.

It’s council road reserve then

Originally Posted by Ruger7mm

Hi all
have received a reply from LINZ who confirm they are not the controlling authority or that the parcel of land on which the formed road sits is not in crown ownership, and have suggested contacting the local council.

First reply, after which I asked if the land was owned by a SOE
Further to my email below our Crown Property team have advised that the land is not LINZ land. To determine the actual ownership is by you having a status report completed by an Accredited Supplier. Please view the list of Accredited Suppliers on our website at https://www.linz.govt.nz/crown-prope...ited-suppliers

Thank you for your email.
Second reply,

Unfortunately we are not able to confirm the ownership of the land. I note parcel 4574891 has a status of current and a parcel intent of "road". Roads are typically owned by local councils (except for State Highways, which typically owned by New Zealand Transport Agency), so you may wish to enquire directly with the local council to determine if they can confirm ownership.

Alternatively, you will need to contact an accredited supplier to conduct a status report, as per our prior response.

I think we now await the TDC response.
Cheers Ruger7mm

Bit late to this investigation but thought I'd post the relevant info for people to see. I'm a cadastral surveyor so have access to plans etc, have been involved in road taking and stopping by local government act in the past.

So a quick search of Waipakihi Road shows it is covered by two parcels, Part Rangipo North 7B Block and Part Rangipo North 7C Block. Both these parcels were created by survey SO 27023 1967 shown below....



The two parcels have a gazette reference to them - Gazette 1968 p1344 and p1362. The gazette is Government newspaper used for public notification/record to legalise processes and actions under various Acts and Regulations. Road taking or land taking is one of these processes. The two Gazette pages are shown below God Save The Queen!





As Ruger7mm has mentioned the parcels were taken for "the development of water power (Tongariro Power Scheme)

A more recent computed plan of the neighboring Maori land was completed in 2009 - ML 421774. These type of plans were an attempt to work out a more accurate area for blocks of Maori land all over the country. It also shows that the parcels covered by Wapakihi Rd are separate to and not included in the area of the neighboring Maori land. Plan below.....



It will be interesting what TDC say about who is in charge of the land as I suspect it will be them. There is some recent survey work being undertaken to the north on Rangipo Intake Rd by a surveyor which might be in a similar situation. Could be a good person to contact to provide more clarity.

Yes, that is correct, but it isn't just that simple. We're hoping to get more clarification from a number of sources soon.

This has all the makings of every local and central Government agency having dropped the ball over the decades, as they have for a few other 'roads'.

What is clear is that is was taken by the Crown from the Tongariro National Park board and given to the (other) Crown NZED and formed into a road.

It can't magically then turn into Trust land without the relevant legal process occurring. If that legal process magically appears to have happened over the past year or so without Public notification, and whilst receiving more public largess (in the form of the Provincial Growth Fund) then I suggest we all know whats happened.

And to add to that, where do WAMS get their information? Apparently they don't believe it's a road either?

I wonder what Clements "road" is? -- and why it is maintained--; sarc.

Originally Posted by Woody

I wonder what Clements "road" is? -- and why it is maintained--; sarc.

Maintained by DoC right from the lodge as it is all DoC land. Legal road up until there.

Yes but what is it actually.
It allows public vehicular access into the Kaimanawa Forest Park for many and varied users.
Why not the four accesses off Desert road?
Just saying.

Bit like Waitaramoa Road into Pureora North Block, no one wants to own it when it requires work. DOC will come to the party for a 1080 drop or other poison operation, logging companies if pines are being carted, otherwise ownership is denied by all including the 2 district councils.

There must be many examples throughout NZ. Access is not denied.
Clements road was pioneered by a man of that name whose men cut and split red beech for posts and battens. I can recall when the gear and original huts were in place and the bridges were simple double planks with a big gap in the centre. The "road" is now an important public and tourist asset. (As is View road.) They along with the desert road accesses are of economic benifit to the district and to NZ bringing in dollars including tourist dollars. These accesses should not be allowed to become private enterprise money pots for a few. They have been and should remain free to the publics use.

As someone who has a great appreciation of freedom/liberty/access and the law, this will be a very interesting outcome that I will be following closely.

However, it's not difficult to see why the local iwi are upset with the destruction of the whenua at the road end. A quick search of waipakahihi road 4x4 on YouTube shows vehicles travelling in the river, driving close to whio, dogs running free, chainsaw use and tree felling.

Sure I didn't see a "hunter" amongst them it does however reflect on all waipakahihi road users.

https://youtu.be/ZlVhJGtj1M0

@2min 30secs

Originally Posted by stumpys

As someone who has a great appreciation of freedom/liberty/access and the law, this will be a very interesting outcome that I will be following closely.

However, it's not difficult to see why the local iwi are upset with the destruction of the whenua at the road end. A quick search of waipakahihi road 4x4 on YouTube shows vehicles travelling in the river, driving close to whio, dogs running free, chainsaw use and tree felling.

Sure I didn't see a "hunter" amongst them it does however reflect on all waipakahihi road users.

https://youtu.be/ZlVhJGtj1M0

@2min 30secs

That maybe so @stumpys and had the gate had gone in 5 - 10 years ago, at the expense of the landowner, for the reason you state, I might be included to agree, but the timing of this tells us all we need to know