Thread: How to get your rifle to shoot less than MOA

A much better test than any group, if you're interested in the practical accuracy of your rifle, is to go shoot single shots at single targets, breaking position between shots, to determine consistency of your shooting.

I don't fire a 4th shot because I'm a Jew when it comes to ammo

Originally Posted by gimp

You'd think if people cared so much about ~*my submoa rifle*~ they'd be happy to spend the 28 bucks to actually test it to a vague degree of significance

Or maybe they couldn't give a toss if some guy on the inter net doesn't believe them.

Originally Posted by gimp

A much better test than any group, if you're interested in the practical accuracy of your rifle, is to go shoot single shots at single targets, breaking position between shots, to determine consistency of your shooting.

Yes great way to test the shooter, not the rifle

Originally Posted by gimp

Simply: I don't care much about groups. For my purposes, beyond load development and zeroing, they don't tell me any information I need to know. Same for most hunters.

As above, I dont shoot groups for the sake of shooting groups, mostly its to zero or rezero if I already have a load I am happy with.

But groups give valuable information to the hunter, for instance if your butchered sporterised open sighted 303 will only shoot 10" groups at 100y then probably 75y is your max practicable range.

Originally Posted by gimp

A much better test than any group, if you're interested in the practical accuracy of your rifle, is to go shoot single shots at single targets, breaking position between shots, to determine consistency of your shooting.

So lets say you get a new or second hand rifle whack a scope on it grap the cheapest(or most expensive) ammo in the shop and go shoot at a target of x size at x range- you cant hit it or only hit it occasionally. what now? is it the rifle, is it the ammo, is it you, is your scope out, is your velocity out, is your bc out?
Better go shoot some groups and sort it out

Originally Posted by ebf

Yup VC, no matter how much I try, just can't get the frigging 5 shot groups below .308

Maybe when I get a 22-250 things will improve

I know what your problem is....you forgot to subtract calibre size, so there you go, you have a 0.00" group!

I've never shot a group, they just don't interest me.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Or maybe they couldn't give a toss if some guy on the inter net doesn't believe them.

then why are they measuring it to the third decimal place and telling some guy on the internet about it if they don't care??

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

So lets say you get a new or second hand rifle whack a scope on it grap the cheapest(or most expensive) ammo in the shop and go shoot at a target of x size at x range- you cant hit it or only hit it occasionally. what now? is it the rifle, is it the ammo, is it you, is your scope out, is your velocity out, is your bc out?
Better go shoot some groups and sort it out

then you haven't zerored properly

I actually do get what your original thread on the topic was about, but your just being anal now

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I like the smack of my .17 exploding mynas way better than paper but need a little of both to test its going where pointed other than that I shoot badly at non reactive targets as they don't hold my pee brain attention very long at all. W e re all different eh !

Since I've been shooting ( got my firearms licence in 1988 ) I have seen the acceptable level of accuracy shrink from 1.5 moa to about 1 moa .
When I say acceptable level of accuracy I mean a level that the writers for gun magazines believe is now the necessary standard and the universal galactic mythical unit of satisfaction .
I personally find a hunting rifle that puts it's first cold, clean barrel shot within the group of subsequent shots as a more valuable asset than one that shoots groups that are half an inch smaller at 100 yrds but who's first few shot's are not recorded because they are fouling shots and are half an inch left and 1 inch lower .

Ken

Originally Posted by gimp

I find I get the smallest groups if I just don't shoot at all. The shot-to-shot deviation is non-existant.

Gimp...that is cheating!!

Originally Posted by gimp

then you haven't zerored properly

So you need to shoot a group to zero.