Thread: Proposed banning of lead shot in sub gauge shotguns report from Southland

Suppose thanks for the heads up. Don't try to be one of the boys though cos you ain't
Your private agenda is hard to understand We don't agree with your policy .we don't agree with your outdated facts . I have a plan boys $5 a week in the kitty I guarantee it buys you a gate person who using your walkie gives a nudge as to unexpected carrot peeling hippies arriving for the whole opening weekend cos I honestly reckon we could be pushed that far
Seems some of us orbit the earth and the rest orbit some other place I think it's called Uranus .maybe you prove us wrong next year and there's millions new ducks or maybe then you tell us no boys it ll take 20 years to get back. Yeah Right

What would happen if we missed a season? like just one season I would imagine a lot of un-shot ducks should rise the population up a bit. Although if F&G were doing anything constructive the population shouldn't have really dropped. This is my last year on a kid licence I think so gonna see how duck shooting looks next year to if I spend the whole adult fee to shoot fuck all. You dont need a licence on your own property right? so could always just shoot my maize paddock anyway.

Seen it in Aussie Toby, been a few seasons dropped or cut drastically short in the last decade. Gotta do what ya gotta do

It appears our mike has slid back into the shrek type F&Gcavern in invergigill to lick his wounds after everything bar the kitchen sink was thrown at him.
Mike,you there Mike- email prof Mike Spray at massey university re evidence to back your"noble gesture".
His reply to my email briefly was compared to the environmental disater of dirty dairying ,this lead issue was like a pimple on an elephants ass ,a minute one at that.that is the impending disaster theyre trying to resolve,. from what ive witnessed from another "southland" seminarspeaker ,lush dairy paddocks are a favourite haunt of your duckshooting buddies.
furthermore would you be polite enough to answer the outstanding issues still posed on this forum.

What would happen if we missed a season? like just one season I would imagine a lot of un-shot ducks should rise the population up a bit. Although if F&G were doing anything constructive the population shouldn't have really dropped. This is my last year on a kid licence I think so gonna see how duck shooting looks next year to if I spend the whole adult fee to shoot fuck all. You dont need a licence on your own property right? so could always just shoot my maize paddock anyway.

nothings certain unfortunatly tobyi would hope so but by the time desease and hunger kicked in we could be worse of if the extra birds became spreaders of botulism or salmonella.
the one bright light is the major research program f&g are doing according to the latest h&f catalogue

I am not closed minded.
I will be the first to retire my 20 and 28g if you can show me recent and RELEVANT and Balanced scientific studies supporting the argument and change to the rules.

NOT Studies where the outcome is not decided first then supporting evidence gathered to support that outcome. But truly independent with unbiased researcher(s).

I am more than prepared to publicly admit I am wrong should it be so proved that Sub Gauges are one of the major reasons for the decline in duck populations

I will retire my 16 ga also

I am more than prepared to publicly admit I am wrong should it be so proved that Sub Gauges are one of the major reasons for the decline in duck populations

your pretty safe there mikee
i dont think even the proponents of the change would even say that.
this is just a sideshow to test thier power to influence the national body and their supporters in other regions
the end game is yet to be revealed but there is more a foot than just this proposed change i,l bet my left testicle on it.

please register your distaste over southlands actions with the national councill as it appears they still may have the final say before southlands changes go before the minister

nzcouncil@fishandgame.org.nz

Hi Kevin





Southland Fish and Game has announced at its February 2013 meeting to require the use of nontoxic shot for all waterfowl hunting over water, with a three year transition, but excluding junior hunters and 410 shotguns. The transition would begin in 2014 with a voluntary change, then a ban on public waters and, finally in 2017, mandatory use of non-toxic shot over all water bodies. The New Zealand Council does not favour the lifting of the lead shot exemption on sub-gauges.

Regards

Robert

Each Fish and Game Council is empowered by legislation to make recommendations to the Minister on season conditions (s26R(3) of the Conservation Act [Anglers Notice], s15 Wildlife Act [Open Season for Game Notice]. This is done through the NZ Council who coordinates the process each season and ensures the approval and publication of the Sports Fish and Game Gazette Notices that contain the conditions for all regions. Each region has autonomy to set conditions for its region as it sees fit. Your concerns therefore should be conveyed to the Southland Fish and Game Council.

Regards

Robert



Robert Sowman | Policy & Planning Manager

New Zealand Fish and Game Council

some info from the top

It was never going to be put up for this years gazette. The rules for this year were made in December. The sub gauge decision wasn't till February just been with the intention of being set next December at the regulations setting meeting for gazetting February 2014.

One can only hope the southland shooters whose sport is impacted by this devious action,gather en masse and demand a speciasl general meeting of the council.
one hopes then a massive vote of no confidence is invoked and all you righteous weknow it all concillors are tipped out on your ear.
thats NZs biggest problem at present .elected people who will not listen to those who put them there in the first place.
BTWhave you emailed Prof mike Joy at massey varsity yet-or perhaps his opinion on lead will not suit "your rules" either.

Originally Posted by kotuku

One can only hope the southland shooters whose sport is impacted by this devious action,gather en masse and demand a speciasl general meeting of the council.
one hopes then a massive vote of no confidence is invoked and all you righteous weknow it all concillors are tipped out on your ear.
thats NZs biggest problem at present .elected people who will not listen to those who put them there in the first place.
BTWhave you emailed Prof mike Joy at massey varsity yet-or perhaps his opinion on lead will not suit "your rules" either.

From what I gather they didn't have enough candidates down there to require a vote.

gadget-mores the pity then.atlho ive heard it said 6fingers and a banjo never go astray at some gatherings!

From what I gather they didn't have enough candidates down there to require a vote.

bet that changes next time roundmight register myself just to make sure there a vote in csi and there